RC3: New names for 2 Fullscreen modes and Viewer?

Post by **xnview** » Mon May 30, 2005 2:19 pm

Note: This topic was split from discussion in topic "[Fixed?] RC3: Lite Fullscreen Mode"

Dreamer wrote:
xnview wrote:So to switch between different mode, i'll add option for LMB, MMB & enter
Like my "blue" suggestions?

Yes, but used terms are not good i think

We must find something better than:
- Viewer and Fullscreen Standard / Browser and Fullscreen Lite
- Viewer and Browser
- Browser, Viewer and Fullscreen Standard

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Mon May 30, 2005 4:28 pm

At the beginning, there was just few features in "Fullscreen Lite mode" therefore "Lite" - now we could find better name...

Danny · Post by **Danny** » Mon May 30, 2005 4:29 pm

xnview wrote:
Danny wrote:And i thought we already said that there is no such thing as "fullscreen lite". It's just the viewer in fullscreen mode.
No, when you are in browser, you have fullscreen without EDIT mode. In edit mode you have fullscreen of EDIT mode. So it's not really a lite fullscreen like Dreamer said.

I don't really understand. What "edit mode"?

Post by **xnview** » Mon May 30, 2005 4:45 pm

Danny wrote:
xnview wrote:
Danny wrote:And i thought we already said that there is no such thing as "fullscreen lite". It's just the viewer in fullscreen mode.
No, when you are in browser, you have fullscreen without EDIT mode. In edit mode you have fullscreen of EDIT mode. So it's not really a lite fullscreen like Dreamer said.
I don't really understand. What "edit mode"?

EDIT is when you open a new view window (open from browser or File/Open) to edit picture.

Danny · Post by **Danny** » Mon May 30, 2005 5:23 pm

xnview wrote:
Danny wrote:
xnview wrote: No, when you are in browser, you have fullscreen without EDIT mode. In edit mode you have fullscreen of EDIT mode. So it's not really a lite fullscreen like Dreamer said.
I don't really understand. What "edit mode"?
EDIT is when you open a new view window (open from browser or File/Open) to edit picture.

I see. But you just gave the answer yourself: It's just the viewer - which happens to have editing capabilities. So there actually is no "edit mode", right? No need to over-complicate things here IMHO.

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:16 pm

Helmut,

I think Pierre calls Viewer - EDIT mode, so there will be no additional mode.

Edit:

It looks "EDIT fullscreen" and "VIEW fullscreen" is more confusing for users then Fullscreen Standard and Lite, so we must find another terms...

What about this: Viewer Fullscreen / Browser Fullscreen.

Or if you'll add all (or most) features from standard to lite fullscreen, we could use just one term for both fullscreen modes - Fullscreen.

Post by **xnview** » Tue May 31, 2005 6:33 am

Dreamer wrote:I think Pierre calls Viewer - EDIT mode, so there will be no additional mode.

Yes, right. There is NO new mode

What about this: Viewer Fullscreen / Browser Fullscreen.

It's that, fulscreen from EDIT mode, fullscreen from BROWSER mode.

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:53 am

Pierre,

the problem is that term "EDIT mode" is very confusing for users...

Maybe we could start a new topic for this - "New names for 2 fullscreen modes", it's not easy for users to reply here...

helmut wrote:At the moment I don't have the time to thorougly follow this discussion.

Maybe you could start that topic - more users will answer...

Post by **xnview** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:59 am

Dreamer wrote:Pierre,

the problem is that term "EDIT mode" is very confusing for users...

Maybe we could start a new topic for this - "New names for 2 fullscreen modes", it's not easy for users to reply here...

helmut wrote:At the moment I don't have the time to thorougly follow this discussion.
Maybe you could start that topic - more users will answer...

EDIT mode is nice i think, it's the mode where you can edit picture

ckv · Post by **ckv** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:22 am

Dreamer wrote:the problem is that term "EDIT mode" is very confusing for users...

Maybe so, but I don't think so. Because no one advertise XnView as editor and XnView haves view in it's name. So if users get confused, it's their own fault (No offence Dreamer

) I actually think that Edit mode would clear things for users.

xnview wrote:EDIT mode is nice i think, it's the mode where you can edit picture

I agree. Actually I haven't never thought/notice that it's the only mode where I can edit picture.

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Tue May 31, 2005 10:14 am

ckv wrote:
xnview wrote:EDIT mode is nice i think, it's the mode where you can edit picture
I agree. Actually I haven't never thought/notice that it's the only mode where I can edit picture.

You can edit picture also in the Browser (rotate/flip/cunvert...).

Most important!

We must use the same names for the same features!

In Help > Misc. > Key combinations, there is "Browser Mode" and "Image View Mode".

In Options, there is "Browser" and "View".

Therefore I think "EDIT mode" will be confusing (it is already - see comments above).

If there will be two names for the same mode, it will be always confusing.

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Tue May 31, 2005 10:23 am

Old xnview users know only one Fullscreen mode, so "Edit Fullscreen" might be confusing for them too.

Another idea for "old" and "new" fullscreen mode names:

- Fullscreen
- Quick Fullscreen (as Quick Slide Show)

ckit · Post by **ckit** » Tue May 31, 2005 10:27 am

Quick Fullscreen and Quick Slide Show? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I hate the Quick Slide Show feature, the sooner it is dead the better.

ckv · Post by **ckv** » Tue May 31, 2005 10:29 am

Of cource it could be just 'View mode', but that wouldn't be quite right.

Heres some suggestions.
- Edit mode
- View mode
- Adjust mode
- Modify mode
- Convert mode
- Vary mode

I prefer only Edit and View mode. Rest of the name are just wrong or BAD

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Tue May 31, 2005 10:49 am

ckit,

it's just a suggestion for "new" fullscreen mode name, not a new feature. (Quick Slide Show is great, if you don't like it, don't use it, where is the problem?)

ckv,

Yes - Edit mode or View mode, but use this name also in Options and Help - again don't use two names for the same mode!