File Inclusion/Exclusion
Moderators: XnTriq, helmut, xnview
My opinion on this draft:
- 'Thumbnail' column shouldn't appear here, as it takes quite some space for little possibilities and could confuse people with 'Thumbnail view'. It would be better on another page (+give some room for an 'Open with' column)
- Have both 'Include' and 'Exclude' lines with small text areas for every column (Thumbnail view, Other views, Preview) instead of checkboxes.
...I started an image to show this 4 days ago, but I am too slow and hadn't enough time to finish it... therefore I explain it first now and will try to show the picture later on (and NO, Dreamer, I didn't copy your idea again... the evidence is on my computer... )
Olivier
- 'Thumbnail' column shouldn't appear here, as it takes quite some space for little possibilities and could confuse people with 'Thumbnail view'. It would be better on another page (+give some room for an 'Open with' column)
- Have both 'Include' and 'Exclude' lines with small text areas for every column (Thumbnail view, Other views, Preview) instead of checkboxes.
...I started an image to show this 4 days ago, but I am too slow and hadn't enough time to finish it... therefore I explain it first now and will try to show the picture later on (and NO, Dreamer, I didn't copy your idea again... the evidence is on my computer... )
Olivier
Thank you for your comment. 'Thumbnail view' (for showing/hiding the item) and 'Thumbnail' (for showing the item as thumbnail or not) might be indeed confusing. But if 'Thumbnail' is put onto another categories page, the "Preview" must go to another category, too, for consistency reasons.Olivier_G wrote:My opinion on this draft:
- 'Thumbnail' column shouldn't appear here, as it takes quite some space for little possibilities and could confuse people with 'Thumbnail view'. It would be better on another page (+give some room for an 'Open with' column)
There's one disadvantage when moving "Preview" and "Thumbnail" to other categories:
If users says that a file group is not shown in the browser, the settings "Thumbnail" and "Preview" will not have any effect and can be greyed out. The user will see this dependency only if all the options reside in the same category.
Also, the category "Custom" will be valid for this category, but also for "Preview" and "Thumbnail". So it must be made clear to the user somehow that there is one group "Custom", only.
#H06 In the sample below the column 'Open with' has been added and the columns 'Thumbnail' and 'Preview' have been removed.Olivier_G wrote:- Have both 'Include' and 'Exclude' lines with small text areas for every column (Thumbnail view, Other views, Preview) instead of checkboxes.
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#H07 In this draft the checkboxes have been replaced by dropdownlists (as suggested by Olivier).
In both drafts the settings (Show/Hide) are the same. I think one can see two things:
- The second draft H07 clearly says which files are shown or hidden.
- In the first draft the different states (checked / not checked) can be seen more easily.
We have to be aware that in some languages the terms "Show" / "Hide" are longer than the English ones, e.g. in German it would be "Zeigen" or "Anzeigen" and "Verstecken".
From my point of view both drafts are o.k., personally I'd prefer the checkbox approach.
If you want an 'include' function, why not put it in Options>File Handling>Advanced?
A reason not to use "custom" is that users would want to use both exclude/include at the same time.
These examples show 3 columns. Smaller fonts help display them properly using 800x600. They will line up if web page fonts are used.
#M1
Options>File Handling
#M2
Options>File Handling>Advanced
A reason not to use "custom" is that users would want to use both exclude/include at the same time.
These examples show 3 columns. Smaller fonts help display them properly using 800x600. They will line up if web page fonts are used.
#M1
Options>File Handling
Code: Select all
Select items to be shown unless otherwise indicated.
Thumbnail All Other Preview
View Views
Images [x] [x] [x]
Audio [x] [x] [x]
Video [x] [x] [x]
Text [x] [x] [x]
Archives [x] [x] -
Folder [x] [x] -
Hide parent folder ('..') [x] [x] -
Hide files larger than (Kb) [_1024_] - [_3072_]
Exclude* [x] [x] [x]
All other files [ ] [ ] [ ]
*Exclude: Extensions seperated by a space, e.g. PDF EPS PS
[_PDF EPS PS__________________________]
Options>File Handling>Advanced
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Select items to be shown unless otherwise indicated.
Thumbnail All Other Preview
View Views
Include* [x] [x] [x]
*Include: Extensions seperated by a space, e.g. LOG 1st DIZ
[_LOG ME 1st CFG LIST_________________]
When opening multiple files at once, select action to be performed:
Open With Associated Program [_TXT INI LOG ME 1st CFG LIST_] [>>]
Open With Xnview [_BMP JPG PNG TIF GIF_________] [>>]
All Other Files Open With* [ -No Action [V]]
- Open With Associated Program[V]
- Open With Xnview[V]
*'No Action' is recommended to avoid opening multiple movies simultaneously.
So why not keep current options/browser/file list, and add a page for thumbnail & preview?Olivier_G wrote:My opinion on this draft:
- 'Thumbnail' column shouldn't appear here, as it takes quite some space for little possibilities and could confuse people with 'Thumbnail view'. It would be better on another page (+give some room for an 'Open with' column)
Pierre.
Your question is a bit irritating: What about exclusions? I thought this is why we started the whole discussion?xnview wrote:So why not keep current options/browser/file list, and add a page for thumbnail & preview?Olivier_G wrote:My opinion on this draft:
- 'Thumbnail' column shouldn't appear here, as it takes quite some space for little possibilities and could confuse people with 'Thumbnail view'. It would be better on another page (+give some room for an 'Open with' column)
Thank you marsh, for your comment and drafts. Inclusion and Exclusion have the same quality and depend on each other, if you include something, you cannot exclude it at the same time. So I don't quite understand what you mean.marsh wrote:If you want an 'include' function, why not put it in Options>File Handling>Advanced?
A reason not to use "custom" is that users would want to use both exclude/include at the same time.
The "Open with" is not an advanced feature, I think it's also for normal users. What is really advanced is changing the groups "Images", "Video", ... But this is discussed in the other thread.
Sorry Helmut, I think I wasn't clear enough...helmut wrote:From my point of view both drafts are o.k., personally I'd prefer the checkbox approach.
Here is what I had in mind:
'Include' and 'Exclude' text areas for each column provides a lot of flexibility, while being self-explanatory (methinks ) and people have to think/read first before modifying them.
If someone find a way to add the 'Create Thumbnail' column in the previous panel, it's all good...helmut wrote:There's one disadvantage when moving "Preview" and "Thumbnail" to other categories:
If users says that a file group is not shown in the browser, the settings "Thumbnail" and "Preview" will not have any effect and can be greyed out. The user will see this dependency only if all the options reside in the same category.
(I couldn't... but I didn't really tried that hard)
Olivier
Sorry, i means old page setting with exclusion. In your sample, we have no more Preview, Thumbnail & View... And the start of discution was for Preview, Thumbnail & Viewhelmut wrote:Your question is a bit irritating: What about exclusions? I thought this is why we started the whole discussion?xnview wrote:So why not keep current options/browser/file list, and add a page for thumbnail & preview?Olivier_G wrote:My opinion on this draft:
- 'Thumbnail' column shouldn't appear here, as it takes quite some space for little possibilities and could confuse people with 'Thumbnail view'. It would be better on another page (+give some room for an 'Open with' column)
Pierre.
A combobox for "Thumbnail view" and "All other views" would work, but you won't save much space.xnview wrote:...
Perhaps we could use a combobox to choose which option to set, so only one column...
Including all columns into one will be very messy, too many combinations and too much to read, e.g.
"All views, show thumbnail, show preview".
Or did I get you wrong?
Ah, I see. Another possible solution. I think we should make a decision, soon.xnview wrote:Sorry, i means old page setting with exclusion. In your sample, we have no more Preview, Thumbnail & View... And the start of discution was for Preview, Thumbnail & Viewhelmut wrote:Your question is a bit irritating: What about exclusions? I thought this is why we started the whole discussion?xnview wrote: So why not keep current options/browser/file list, and add a page for thumbnail & preview?
Here is an update with all columns and some small changes:
Comments:
- 'smaller than' condition is back and available for 'Preview', 'Thumbnail create' and 'Thumbnail list' (if you want to list all, images with thumbnails only or image you can also preview - you choose whatever)
- 'Thumbnail create' checkboxes can be greyed out depending on 'Thumbnail list'
- 'Preview' can be greyed out depending on ('Thumbnail list' + 'Other views')
- 'Thumbnail create' for 'Folders' would be the setting for showing on the thumbnail several images in the folder
I haven't shown Custom include/exclude settings here because it seems to be more problematic and the issue can be handled somewhat independently...
(I still like my previous individual text boxes suggestion, though )
Olivier
Comments:
- 'smaller than' condition is back and available for 'Preview', 'Thumbnail create' and 'Thumbnail list' (if you want to list all, images with thumbnails only or image you can also preview - you choose whatever)
- 'Thumbnail create' checkboxes can be greyed out depending on 'Thumbnail list'
- 'Preview' can be greyed out depending on ('Thumbnail list' + 'Other views')
- 'Thumbnail create' for 'Folders' would be the setting for showing on the thumbnail several images in the folder
I haven't shown Custom include/exclude settings here because it seems to be more problematic and the issue can be handled somewhat independently...
(I still like my previous individual text boxes suggestion, though )
Olivier