File Inclusion/Exclusion
Moderators: XnTriq, helmut, xnview
In the above two draft screens, "Thumbnail view" and "All other views" are distinguished and thus have a indivudal columns.
Wouldn't be one column "Item", "Entry" or "Show item" be sufficient? I'm still not clear why there is such a separation. What's the use of having a different list of files in Thumbnail view than in all other views? We have settings for enabling/disabling thumbnail, so performance cannot be the reason (anymore). I think we could get rid of another relict, here.
Wouldn't be one column "Item", "Entry" or "Show item" be sufficient? I'm still not clear why there is such a separation. What's the use of having a different list of files in Thumbnail view than in all other views? We have settings for enabling/disabling thumbnail, so performance cannot be the reason (anymore). I think we could get rid of another relict, here.
Often users have only images in thumbnail view, and all files in detail viewhelmut wrote:In the above two draft screens, "Thumbnail view" and "All other views" are distinguished and thus have a indivudal columns.
Wouldn't be one column "Item", "Entry" or "Show item" be sufficient? I'm still not clear why there is such a separation. What's the use of having a different list of files in Thumbnail view than in all other views? We have settings for enabling/disabling thumbnail, so performance cannot be the reason (anymore). I think we could get rid of another relict, here.
Pierre.
The dialogue should ask users what to ignore. Not: what custom files not to show. My suggestion has the added possibility of adding extension to this box via browser menu. Perhaps, you want custom to perform other functions? That would be confusing.helmut wrote:If you name the group "Custom" "Exclude", the name would no longer express that the group is customizable, and you can use "Exclude" to actually include files. That would be really irritating.xnview wrote:...
Hum, really i think that extension to exclude is better than custom file extension to show...
Don't think in terms of "Exclude" or "Ignore", try to think in terms of groups and files that are displayed and/or shown as thumbnail / preview. This is basically what we have now, see options, category "Browser > File List" (Item shown in Thumbnail mode / Item shown in other modes).
Let's see what other people think about this.
Also, if you want a seperate (and different) ignore list for each column, then that is a completely different and very complicated idea not clearly shown in any of these examples.
Last edited by marsh on Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Right... and therefore I like the separation between 'Thumbnail view' and 'All other views'.xnview wrote:Often users have only images in thumbnail view, and all files in detail view
Side-notes:
- The current option 'Show thumbnail for video file' should disappear and be here
- Why wouldn't it be possible to create thumbnails of text files? (generate an image at the Thumbnail dimension with a small font)
- What do 'Archives' and 'Folders' do in Thumbnail column? Is it to show several images in the Thumbnail (as suggested here?)
Olivier
O.k., I'm convinced.Olivier_G wrote:Right... and therefore I like the separation between 'Thumbnail view' and 'All other views'.xnview wrote:Often users have only images in thumbnail view, and all files in detail view
Correct, another option which will become superflous.Olivier_G wrote:Side-notes:
- The current option 'Show thumbnail for video file' should disappear and be here
Yes, should be possible, but for all I know currently thumbnails for text are not supported.Olivier_G wrote:- Why wouldn't it be possible to create thumbnails of text files? (generate an image at the Thumbnail dimension with a small font)
For "Folder", you are right, that's displaying several thumbnails contained in that subfulder. But what Thumbnail in the terms of Archive mean, is a riddle to me (preview to archive or thumbnails when browsing the archive ?).Olivier_G wrote:- What do 'Archives' and 'Folders' do in Thumbnail column? Is it to show several images in the Thumbnail (as suggested here?)
No, it's like now, to show archives files and folder in thumbnail view.Olivier_G wrote:- What do 'Archives' and 'Folders' do in Thumbnail column? Is it to show several images in the Thumbnail (as suggested here?)
Pierre.
For example, i want to see all files/videos but not PDF/EPS/PS files, a really frequently situation. So i'm must not check Custom.helmut wrote:If you name the group "Custom" "Exclude", the name would no longer express that the group is customizable, and you can use "Exclude" to actually include files. That would be really irritating.xnview wrote:...
Hum, really i think that extension to exclude is better than custom file extension to show...
Don't think in terms of "Exclude" or "Ignore", try to think in terms of groups and files that are displayed and/or shown as thumbnail / preview. This is basically what we have now, see options, category "Browser > File List" (Item shown in Thumbnail mode / Item shown in other modes).
Let's see what other people think about this.
Very strange no???
Pierre.
Not really. But people might not understand how an exclusion is created.xnview wrote:...
For example, i want to see all files/videos but not PDF/EPS/PS files, a really frequently situation. So i'm must not check Custom.
Very strange no???
#H03 Another suggestion:
The "Custom" was removed and the exclusion is set at the bottom, only.
Last edited by helmut on Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
No you must keep a checkbox for all mode to exclude or not!helmut wrote:Not really. But people might not understand how an exclusion is created.xnview wrote:...
For example, i want to see all files/videos but not PDF/EPS/PS files, a really frequently situation. So i'm must not check Custom.
Very strange no???
Another suggestion:
The "Custom" was removed and the exclusion is set at the bottom, only.
Pierre.
So you would double all the headings "Thumbnail mode" and "All other modes". And in the first list you check whether something is included or not (checked = included) and in the other list you check to exclude or not (checked = excluded). This is inconsistent.xnview wrote:No you must keep a checkbox for all mode to exclude or not!helmut wrote:Not really. But people might not understand how an exclusion is created.xnview wrote:...
For example, i want to see all files/videos but not PDF/EPS/PS files, a really frequently situation. So i'm must not check Custom.
Very strange no???
Another suggestion:
The "Custom" was removed and the exclusion is set at the bottom, only.
Currently we try to find the 100% solution, if we can't find it we should find a good 80% solution.
I fully agree with Helmut, these options are very similar, it could be very confusing, also, in some other languages it could be not as clear as in English.helmut wrote:So you would double all the headings "Thumbnail mode" and "All other modes". And in the first list you check whether something is included or not (checked = included) and in the other list you check to exclude or not (checked = excluded). This is inconsistent.
It would be more confusing than "associations" and "file types" in prev. versions...
Right like that! No include list (not necessary), only an exclude one...marsh wrote:I understand this 3 column design better:
<thumbnail mode> <list, icons, & details mode> <preview>
Images [x] [x] [x]
.
Hide parent folder ('..') [x] [x] -
.
Files larger than (Kb) [____] - [___]
.
Exclude* [x] [x] [x]
*Exclude [______]
Pierre.
This is what I've been talking about in my previous post: In top list you check something to include it, and in the bottom to exclude it.marsh wrote:I understand this 3 column design better:
<thumbnail mode> <list, icons, & details mode> <preview>
Images [x] [x] [x]
.
Hide parent folder ('..') [x] [x] -
.
Files larger than (Kb) [____] - [___]
.
Exclude* [x] [x] [x]
*Exclude [______]
If you make all the checkboxes work all the same (checked = exclude), this would be strange since "checked" normally means that something is active/shown. (See current XnView 1.80, options "Browser > File list").