UI options with inconsistent labels

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UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by quapurna » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:16 pm

It is a small thing. I am curious.

show play bar
show info
show hidden files & folders
hide scrollbars
hide toolbar
display pan tool
display ratings
display all graphic formats

Why are different words (show, hide, display) used for similar purpose ?
They are set by check/uncheck. Why not using "show" only to make them simpler ?

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Re: UI options

Post by oops66 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:20 pm

Hello,
... +1, Right, XnView(MP) menus need to be "standardized"/simplified. :wink:
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Re: UI options

Post by budz45 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:40 pm

This is a good curiosity that touches on the subject of wording 'consistency'...I personally prefer the term "display" because it sounds more professional sounding rather than 'show' or 'hide' IMO

So I vote for "Display" - however it would take a lot of work for Pierre to go through the menu's and reword all of these to just a single unilateral word and then Pierre would have to redo the tick/untick for these same name settings so that they maintain there default stances.
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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by quapurna » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:57 pm

Oh, someone has modified my message title. Thank you.

I am sorry if the developer should spend time for changing those items. I just expect XvView option become more intuitive. Small/little consistency here and there, will make XnView simpler for users.

It is nice if users can conclude:
"If there is an option item to make something appear or disappear, then checking it will make something appear".
That is simpler.

Still, I like XnViewMP. It is the only image viewer I have on Xubuntu. I have removed the others (pre-installed ones).

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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by xnview » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:52 am

So what is better?
Pierre.

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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by quapurna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:48 pm

xnview wrote:So what is better?
Does it mean you do not like my message ?
I am sorry then.
I thought users' feedback was needed.
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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by oops66 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:53 pm

xnview wrote:So what is better?
Hello,
I vote for "Show" , it's shorter ;-) but I like "display" too ;-)
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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by xnview » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:03 pm

Ok, so

show play bar
show info
show hidden files & folders
hide scrollbars
hide toolbar
show pan tool
show ratings
show all graphic formats

??
Pierre.

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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by oops66 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:09 pm

xnview wrote:Ok, so

show play bar
show info
show hidden files & folders
hide scrollbars
hide toolbar
show pan tool
show ratings
show all graphic formats

??
No ... the request is for the check boxes: "show" or "display" for all - same meaning (so checked or unchecked) : ;-)

show play bar
show info
show hidden files & folders
show scrollbars
show toolbar
show pan tool
show ratings
show all graphic formats

so in this case:

SHOW: (or DISPLAY) - for me it doesn't matter
-play bar
-info
-hidden files & folders
-scrollbars
-toolbar
-pan tool
-ratings
-all graphic formats
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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by quapurna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:18 pm

xnview wrote:Ok, so

show play bar
show info
show hidden files & folders
hide scrollbars
hide toolbar
show pan tool
show ratings
show all graphic formats

??


Pierre,

I am sorry. I misinterpreted your question. I thought you were asking which one of those *image-viewers* was better while I had already removed the others.

According to Wordnet ...,
for the same meaning: to make visible,
for the same structure: Something ----s something, ...
the frequency of use of 'to show' is higher than 'to display'.

I vote for "show" for the above reason and for its shorter form.

[ ] show play bar
[ ] show info
[ ] show hidden files & folders
[ ] show scrollbars
[ ] show toolbar
[ ] show pan tool
[ ] show ratings
[ ] show all graphic formats

Thank you.

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WordNet® 3.0 (En-En); Ver. : 1.0 (27 July 2009)
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show
verb
4. make visible or noticeable (Freq. 43)
- She showed her talent for cooking
- Show me your etchings, please
• Ant: ↑hide
• See Also: ↑show off
• Hyponyms:
↑give, ↑reflect, ↑peep, ↑project, ↑do justice, ↑flash, ↑screen, ↑expose, ↑exhibit, ↑display, ↑fly, ↑uncover, ↑bring out, ↑unveil, ↑reveal, ↑demo, ↑present, ↑demonstrate, ↑etch, ↑define, ↑delineate
• Cause: ↑see
• Verb Frames:
- Somebody ----s something
- Somebody ----s somebody
- Something ----s something
- Somebody ----s somebody something
- Somebody ----s something to somebody


display
verb
1. to show, make visible or apparent (Freq. 35)
- The Metropolitan Museum is exhibiting Goya's works this month
- Why don't you show your nice legs and wear shorter skirts?
- National leaders will have to display the highest skills of statesmanship
• Syn: ↑expose, ↑exhibit
• Derivationally related forms: ↑exhibit (for: ↑exhibit), ↑exhibition (for: ↑exhibit), ↑exposure (for: ↑expose)
• Hypernyms: ↑show
• Hyponyms:
↑open, ↑produce, ↑bring forth, ↑hold up, ↑bench, ↑moon, ↑flaunt, ↑flash, ↑show off, ↑ostentate, ↑swank, ↑brandish, ↑model, ↑pose, ↑sit, ↑posture, ↑pillory, ↑gibbet
• Verb Frames:
- Somebody ----s something
- Somebody ----s somebody
- Something ----s somebody
- Something ----s something

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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by budz45 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:28 pm

On second thought I don't mind "show" :) even though I voted for 'display' - so if "show" was used it would be fine with me.
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Re: UI options with inconsistent labels

Post by quapurna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:05 pm

budz45 wrote:On second thought I don't mind "show" :) even though I voted for 'display' - so if "show" was used it would be fine with me.
Halo, budz45.

I once missed the scrollbar since I thought it was "show". Then, I found out why.
When I started questioning about those words, it was not myself on my mind anymore; it was the other users who might face the same issue.

When I use an application I like and then I see an issue, I am always tempted to report since I want it better for the whole users. It is very frequent that old users do not see an issue since they are already accustomed with. However, new users might find it more serious since they have to adjust themselve to a new environment.

I am not a programmer, so reporting the potential issue is the only thing I can. To me, it is not about winning the vote.

So, it is up to the developer what the best choice is.

End of My Report :)
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