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Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:56 pm
by Smeeta
I haven't seen that the update 1.8.5 has already been released, but I've tried again after I updated to this new version and it still shows the same problem.
I've cropped an example image here which is 8bit based:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9g1xy4go ... wz8wu&dl=0
And for comparison also converted it to 24bit here:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vjk6kd75 ... e2ym9&dl=0
I've also made a .gif to compare each other while opened in XnView:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/n6m4h8y8 ... 176bw&dl=0
Both of the cropped files look the same in other image viewers, but in XnView (hence the .gif example) the 8bit looks quite blurry compared to the 24bit.
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:22 am
by xnview
Smeeta wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:56 pm
I haven't seen that the update 1.8.5 has already been released, but I've tried again after I updated to this new version and it still shows the same problem.
Ok, could you send me the picture file used? Always with Lanczos4/Bilinear filter?
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:06 am
by Smeeta
This is the original image (I'm sorry for ogling your eyes out

).
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/maqch5zg ... knhkg&dl=0
Using Lanczos4/Bilinear in different variations in 'Zoom in' & 'Zoom out' settings, if necessary I've already linked my xnview.ini file for bug fixing in my original thread:
viewtopic.php?p=203339#p203339
Just in case when it's also going to be needed.
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:21 pm
by user0
there are few issues
0. have
2 PNGs: 8bit palleted and resaved as 24bit (20 colors)
A - antialiasing as reported above
1. set antialiasing to any filter except Bilinear in Settings
2. open image, zoom-in or zoom-out
(effect with zoom-out is harder to notice)
3. switch between images
filter effect will be different for 24bit image (only Bilinear filter affects both images in the same way)
B - navigator
1. zoom-in to make navigator appear
2. switch between images
3. (optional) resize navigator window
24bit image will have more artifacts in nav window

- 8_24_png_view_antialiasing_and_navigator.gif (117.61 KiB) Viewed 1828 times
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:34 pm
by xnview

Thanks to your detailed description I can reproduce
the problem.
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:06 am
by xnview
This problem is supposed to be fixed in
XnView MP 1.8.6. Please check and confirm the bug fix here.
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:29 pm
by user0
I don't see any improvement in 186
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:37 am
by Smeeta
xnview wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:06 am
This problem is supposed to be fixed in
XnView MP 1.8.6. Please check and confirm the bug fix here.
I also can confirm that version
1.8.6 doesn't improve on the bug as user0 already mentioned (at first I thought it was on my end again, but thank you for the clarification).
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:58 am
by xnview
Smeeta wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:37 am
I also can confirm that version
1.8.6 doesn't improve on the bug as user0 already mentioned (at first I thought it was on my end again, but thank you for the clarification).
But its not fixed for the image displayed too??
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:01 am
by user0
8bit is blurry and shifted to the top left by 1px with all filters except Bilinear,
eg Lanczos 4 at zoom 400%:

- 186_8_24_png_antialiasing-lanczos4_and_navigator.gif (119.42 KiB) Viewed 1466 times
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:41 am
by xnview
Lanczos & bilinear dont use same process, and you can have small difference. But i means the original problem, blurry when 8bits and not in 24bits?
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:20 am
by user0
xnview wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:41 am
Lanczos & bilinear dont use same process, and you can have small difference. But i means the original problem, blurry when 8bits and not in 24bits?
OP's issue is with zoom-out filters, but imo zoom-in is easier to test
I compare 1filter against 2images (8bit-indexed and 24bit), not filter vs filter
tests
0. win dpi scale - 100%
1. open test image
2. zoom to 400%
3. select zoom-in filter
4. make screenshot (24bit png) and crop accordingly
5. repeat for each variant and compare with Beyond Compare or by eye as difference is very noticeable
results
Bicubic, Spline and Lanczos filters make 8bit-indexed (comparing to 24bit):
1. much blurrier and
2. shifted to the top left corner by 1px
ps. I assume filter:none = Nearest neighbor ?
related
1.8.0 - viewer - High zoom quality - few issues
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:49 am
by xnview
reopened
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:05 am
by xnview
This problem is supposed to be fixed in
XnView MP 1.8.7. Please check and confirm the bug fix here.
Re: 1.6.1 Unsharp/blurry picture zoom out
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:22 am
by user0
fixed in 187