XnView Software

cday wrote:

bege wrote:I went back to XnView Classic because

• after saving a turned picture the size and quality was less than half in MP

In XnView MP compression options have to be set in Browser | File > Format settings... for a technical reason that is currently hard to resolve...

Thank you, that's an unexpected place for options.

cday wrote:

bege wrote:

• I cannot change EXIF date in MP

I don't know, but I think it should be possible in Browser | Tools > Metadata > Edit IPTC/XMP...

Unfortunately not EXIF

bege wrote:

cday wrote:

bege wrote:

• I cannot change EXIF date in MP

I don't know, but I think it should be possible in Browser | Tools > Metadata > Edit IPTC/XMP...

Unfortunately not EXIF

you can change EXIF date in 'change timestamp'

cday wrote:

bege wrote:I went back to XnView Classic because

• after saving a turned picture the size and quality was less than half in MP

In XnView MP compression options have to be set in Browser | File > Format settings... for a technical reason that is currently hard to resolve...

In format settings if checked "Use estimated quality (when possible)":

• in XnView Classic the file size is slightly smaller (in my case original 3,97MB, new 3,30MB) and doesn't change with quality slider at top of the settings window. This is almost as it should be.
• in XnViewMP the file size changes with the quality slider: 100% = 5,86MB, 90% = 2,36MB, 80% = 1,66MB. So Classic seems to be able to estimate the quality, MP not.

xnview wrote: you can change EXIF date in 'change timestamp'

Thank you.

bege wrote:

cday wrote:

bege wrote:I went back to XnView Classic because

• in XnViewMP the file size changes with the quality slider: 100% = 5,86MB, 90% = 2,36MB, 80% = 1,66MB. So Classic seems to be able to estimate the quality, MP not.

Format settings>Write>Jpeg>Use estimated quality is enabled?

xnview wrote:

bege wrote:

• in XnViewMP the file size changes with the quality slider: 100% = 5,86MB, 90% = 2,36MB, 80% = 1,66MB. So Classic seems to be able to estimate the quality, MP not.

Format settings>Write>Jpeg>Use estimated quality is enabled?

Yes, as posted.

I use the classic because you will not do red-eye correction in the MP. Been wanting it for years, but you will not listen. Even some of the worst software on the market have it. You cannot say that it is not needed. The correction feature on cameras do not work all that well.

Bill

Mixer,

Thanks for the information. It's good to heard (or should I say, "See."?).

Bill

Following the installation of my new computer I try to use MP rather than Classic.
I think return to classic.

XnView Classic advantages:
- Smaller > and faster
- Webpage > this is an essentail function of XnView for me (other is images sort)
- Slideshow > I use sometime also

XnView MP advantages:
- Better UI > I don't think so
- x64bits > Good but light advantage for a image browser functionality

Pascal

Hi Pierre,

I like the MP interface, it is clearly a further development of Classic with lots of new features.
It also has nice advantages over Classic. Left-click to see a 100% view while in View mode is one example, switching to the Browser mode folder where the last closed picture resides when closing several pictures from different folders is another. Not to mention the possibility to save layouts...

I noticed over the past two years that I preferred to use MP because of it's looks, but sometimes had to use Classic instead because of bugs or missing features.
After several important bugs where solved and Title bar info was added, I started to use MP permanently, and recently I switched file associations from Classic to MP.

Unfortunately there are still quite a few bugs in MP, and some behavioral differences.
No name a few bugs:
- Crash when going from Browser to Full screen (F11 or menu).
- Custom _cmd_ works from Browser, not from View mode.
- Show tagged files showes only filenames in the Browser, thumbs are missing and nothing happens when selecting and copying them.
Missing or not like classic:
- Open all selected context menu option, instead of press Ctrl while selecting Open in the context menu.
- Create web page (important for me sometimes), Create contact sheet.
- After closing a file while in recursive mode, the Browser only shows pictures of the current folder, recursive mode is gone, making recursive mode useless.
- Single click in Browser Folders to open a folder, with config option to enable/disable.
- Some alternative to bring back the Tile, Tile horizontally/vertically options. I've understood that it is not possible to let it work like in Classic, but an alternative wih showing pictures not as thumbnails but as big as possible (depending on how many selected) without modifying all the thumbnail size settings would be nice. I use it a lot when comparing (more than 4) similar pictures to decide which ones to keep.

When versio 0.80 comes available I will try to post the bugs I've noticed that are still there, it is no use to post them now during work in progress.

I think the speed difference could be noticed with thousands of files in one folder. I can't notice any difference but I never have more than 600 photos in one folder. If I switch between folders (all of them already cached before), it looks like Classic is instant and MP needs less than a seccond. But that's only noticable because in Classic I don't see a slider appear and disappear and in MP I do see a slider for less than a second. But it is too short to bother. But I have a recent i5 processor with a ssd disk...

I think that it should be possible to concentrate on MP to make it better and completely replace Classic.
So, resolve the bugs and add what is still missing compared to Classic would be my approach!

And last but not least: XnView is by far the best and most customizable photo viewer and we should all be happy that it exists!
What I appreciate much about XnView in general is that the interface stays the same and functionallity is added over time. I would cry hard if XnView would ever change to some tablet-friendy Metro look ugly kind of interface like the whole software building world seens to feel the need to do.

Regards,
Han