XnView Software

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:35 am**

I would like to know if a PNGout plugin would be a good thing?

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:40 am**

I don't see why it wouldn't be a good addition to XnView, please add it

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:26 pm**

Sounds really good, I already use PNGout in Infranview.

Posted: **Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:45 pm**

A PNGOut plug-in would make for a very happy XnTriq!

Drahken ([url=http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?p=18979#18979]Paste Clipboard, pngout support[/url]) wrote:- PNGOUT (http://advsys.net/ken/utils.htm) plugin support for optimizing PNG files in Save As.
I requested this feature a while back: http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?t=2063 I also approached the author of pngout about making a version for xnview. He agreed, but said he was busy and it would take a while to get around to it.

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:42 pm**

Ok, here is a first version of PNGout plugin

http://www.xnview.com/download/addons/PNGout.zip

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:27 pm**

Pierre

Hello !

• Seems to work at first glance, thanks !

• However, you forgot to remove the (debugging ?) DOS-box…
- I miss a small LNG file to translate…

KR
Claude
Clo

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:24 pm**

Great!

Thank you very much Pierre.
For me that was the only feature available in Irfanview, and not in XnView...

BTW, also noticed the console output. Will this be removed in the final version, or is required because the plugin call pngout.exe?

Posted: **Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:51 pm**

xnview

• However, you forgot to remove the (debugging ?) DOS-box…

-Confirmed, I've it here too.

- I miss a small LNG file to translate…

- I agree, including the terms of the «Strategy» drop-down list (like “Slow”, “Fast”, “Faster” and so on)

P.S. Why do you call it "plugin" and put it in the sub-directory "Addon" ?

Friendly

Paul

Posted: **Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:05 am**

ouistiti wrote:P.S. Why do you call it "plugin" and put it in the sub-directory "Addon" ?

good question! Plugin folder is used for format only... (used by nconvert & GFL SDK too)

Posted: **Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:32 pm**

Pierre

Hello !

• Well, it's good to know…

- But what about the rest :
- DOS-box (needed or not ?)
- A LNG to translate ? Like Paul points out, the terms in the lists are hard-coded, so they would need strings in a LNG…

KR
Claude
Clo

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:20 pm**

Thanks, Pierre!

I ran a few tests on xnviewbox.jpg:

PNGout.xnp (Auto/Xtreme!): 106.767 Bytes
XnView (Export: 9/All): 86.413 Bytes
PNGOUT (standard params): 85.227 Bytes
Pngout.dll (default settings): 84.356 Bytes
PNGOUTPS.8bi (default settings): 84.350 Bytes

What am I missing?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:35 pm**

Good lord, on those results PNGout is a complete failure!

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:39 pm**

—> XnTriq

Hello Mr. Librarian !

PNGout.xnp (Auto/Xtreme!): 106.767 Bytes…

• Right, I get exactly the same size here with the same settings.
- I noticed that the output PNG file contains more colours than the original JPG…

- The box “Keep the order…” is unticked.
• I tested too just with “Save as…” >> PNG, I get 87,202 bytes.
- In that case, the number of colours is the same than the original.

KR
Claude
Clo

Posted: **Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:41 am**

XnTriq wrote:Thanks, Pierre!

I ran a few tests on xnviewbox.jpg:
PNGout.xnp (Auto/Xtreme!): 106.767 Bytes

XnView (Export: 9/All): 86.413 Bytes

PNGOUT (standard params): 85.227 Bytes

Pngout.dll (default settings): 84.356 Bytes

PNGOUTPS.8bi (default settings): 84.350 Bytes
What am I missing?

Ok

I've uploaded a new version...

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:30 pm**

xnview wrote:Ok I've uploaded a new version...

Now, that's more like it! I'm getting the exact same results from both add-on and command-line version.

Clo wrote:However, you forgot to remove the (debugging ?) DOS-box…

I wouldn't mind a window for verbose console output. After all, processing an image can take quite some time.

PNGOUT Tutorial wrote:Verbose mode: list chunks to keep and remove. It also lists the /b# block boundaries and records the file length at each stage of the algorithm.

Code: Select all

X:\Test>pngout.exe /v xnviewbox.jpg
 In:   30096 bytes               xnviewbox.jpg /c2
Out:                             xnviewbox.png /c2 /f5
Block boundaries: 32c3,7cf3,26051 (4 blocks)

Out:  103155 -15080.3=  88074.6
Out:   87558   -218.2=  87339.7
Out:   86861   -447.7=  86413.2
Out:   86033   -185.3=  85847.6
Out:   85755    -69.2=  85685.7
Out:   85547    -46.3=  85500.6
Out:   85464    -25.7=  85438.2
Out:   85390    -13.2=  85376.7
Out:   85313    -19.3=  85293.6
Out:   85287    -18.2=  85268.7
Out:   85245     -7.3=  85237.6
Out:   85231     -0.6=  85230.3
Out:   85227     -0.2=  85226.7
Out:   85228     -0.3=  85227.6
Out:   85227 bytes
Took 21.074 sec.

Chg:  +55131 bytes (283% of original)

Typo: “If source file is in PNG, it will be overwritten... Do you want to continue?”

Clo wrote:I tested too just with “Save as…” >> PNG, I get 87,202 bytes.

Compression level 9 = 86.413 bytes / level 6 = 87.202 bytes

Clo wrote:I noticed that the output PNG file contains more colours than the original JPG…

Test #1: Different
1. I converted xnviewbox.jpg to xnviewbox.png with pngout /v xnviewbox.jpg.
2. I compared xnviewbox.jpg to xnviewbox.png with imageDiff & Comparator.
  (I don't have ImageMagick Compare handy right now.)

Test #2: Identical
1. I converted xnviewbox.jpg to xnviewbox.bmp with XnView.
2. I converted xnviewbox.bmp to xnviewbox.png with pngout /v xnviewbox.bmp.
3. I compared xnviewbox.jpg to xnviewbox.png with imageDiff & Comparator.
4. I converted xnviewbox.jpg & xnviewbox.png to jpg.bmp & png.bmp with XnView.
5. I compared jpg.bmp & png.bmp with fc /b & bindiff.

My conclusion would be that PNGOut doesn't decode YCbCr data correctly, which fatally reminds me of my rant from a couple of weeks ago.

Foxyshadis, I know you've written a JPEG parser. So please, take a look at this and shed some light on the matter.
FYI: Today's my 2nd forum anniversary, and this is my 500th post. This means you have to grant me at least one wish!

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Debug Dos-box

The rest ?

Same, almost…