XnView Software

Hi Clo

Clo wrote:- All skin-designers (but one, myself) don't provide extra icons for missing patterns,
and I guess that some action might be performed to improve such a situation;
like we can see here, it's so bewildering for many users…
- At least, a bunch of such icons might be distributed with the programme for the current default skin…

IMO every program that's as powerful and feature-packed as XnView should come with customizable toolbars.
It would have been a lot harder for me to learn Photoshop, if it hadn't been for PhotoBars (part of the Extensis PhotoTools plug-in suite).

When I had to decide between...

• ... a toolbar with my favorite skin (Mezich) but a limited number of commands to choose from or...
  ... a toolbar with (not quite as purdy looking) buttons for all the commands I need on a regular basis,...

... I reluctantly went for the latter and continued to extend my own B/W 16²px theme.

I don't blame Yuri and the other authors of original skins. It's a lot of work to find meaningful symbols for 150+ commands.
For themes like Crystal, Gnome & Tango at least some extra icons can be picked from repositories of premade stuff.

Unfortunately we don't have any hard numbers on how many users actually add/remove/rearrange buttons on XnView's toolbar.
I'm not a big fan of forum polls, but in cases like this starting one could yield interesting results.

Clo wrote:Note : Sorry for the delayed reply, reason : Huge tempest here and many issues from…

And I thought I had a rough weekend...
Hopefully everyone in the Charries/Lavielle family is doing well.

XnTriq

Hello W. !

…I don't blame Yuri and the other authors of original skins. It's a lot of work to find meaningful symbols for 150+ commands.

• I don't either, but notice that not even a few - among the supposed most needed- have been offered with the skins…
- And it's still possible to find patterns, just needs more fish at lunch !

…Unfortunately we don't have any hard numbers on how many users actually add/remove/rearrange buttons on XnView's toolbar.

• This feature isn't well known by many users, and alas its config. box is still a bit lame…
- It's explained as so well as possible in our Manual, but that doesn't fix the bugs and fill in the lacunaæ…
- For instance, the classic CD <Directory> command is not supported still, despite several requests…
It should be very useful in the browser…
- One can start any application from a button, but it's still impossible
to set a custom info-text for it…and same for other buttons.

…I'm not a big fan of forum polls, but in cases like this starting one could yield interesting results.

• I agree totally ! It should be nice to set a list of the most wanted commands in such a poll,
as AND choice lines (tick-boxes), including indeed a “wildcard” empty icon
with the same size and (when needed) BG style¦colours…
{OT}
• We''ll have cheap firewood this year, regarding all broken trees in our forest…

…Hopefully everyone in the Charries/Lavielle family is doing well.

• “Charries” alone now… Mr. Henri is away since last June… {/OT}

KR,
Claude
Clo

main.bmp/main32.bmp:

1. cmd_Open
2. cmd_SaveAs
3. cmd_Crop
4. cmd_Undo
5. cmd_ZoomIn
6. cmd_ZoomOut
7. cmd_PreviousFile
8. cmd_NextFile
9. cmd_PreviousPage
10. cmd_NextPage
11. cmd_Fullscreen
12. cmd_Print
13. cmd_BatchConvert
14. cmd_Capture
15. cmd_QuickSlideShow
16. cmd_Options
17. cmd_About
18. cmd_Browse
19. cmd_OpenView
20. cmd_FileOperation
21. cmd_Page
22. cmd_Search
23. cmd_Balance
24. cmd_RedEyes
25. cmd_WebPage
26. cmd_HorizontalFlip
27. cmd_VerticalFlip
28. cmd_Rotate90
29. cmd_Contact_Sheet
30. cmd_OpenProperties
31. cmd_Scan
32. cmd_JPEGLossless
33. cmd_Zoom100
34. cmd_Rotate270
35. cmd_LockZoom
36. cmd_ShowGrid
37. cmd_Cut
38. cmd_Copy
39. cmd_Paste
40. cmd_CopyTo
41. cmd_MoveTo
42. cmd_Compare
43. cmd_ImportClipboard
44. cmd_Redo
45. cmd_Save

browser.bmp/browser32.bmp:

1. cmd_NewFolder
2. cmd_Rename
3. cmd_Delete

jpgbar.bmp:

1. cmd_JPEGRotation270
2. cmd_JPEGRotation90
3. cmd_JPEGRotation180
4. cmd_JPEGVerticalFlip
5. cmd_JPEGHorizontalFlip

Missing icons:

1. cmd_GenerateListing
2. cmd_BatchRename
3. cmd_ThumbGallery
4. cmd_SetTimeStamp
5. cmd_SearchSimilar
6. cmd_OpenViewHex
7. cmd_AssignCategory
8. cmd_CleanMetadata
9. cmd_SetComment
10. cmd_Copyimage
11. cmd_Addon15
12. cmd_Addon14
13. cmd_Addon13
14. cmd_Addon12
15. cmd_Addon11
16. cmd_Addon10
17. cmd_Addon09
18. cmd_Addon08
19. cmd_Addon07
20. cmd_Addon06
21. cmd_Addon05
22. cmd_Addon04
23. cmd_Addon03
24. cmd_Addon02
25. cmd_Addon01
26. cmd_ExtractMultipageInto
27. cmd_ExtractMultipage
28. cmd_EditMultipageTIFF
29. cmd_SetWallpaperBestFit
30. cmd_SetWallpaperFit
31. cmd_SetWallpaperTile
32. cmd_SetWallpaperCentered
33. cmd_MovieExtract
34. cmd_JPEGCrop
35. cmd_Email
36. cmd_8BFPlugin
37. cmd_UserFilter
38. cmd_Deinterlace
39. cmd_Effect
40. cmd_EditCmap
41. cmd_AddText
42. cmd_SetDPI
43. cmd_AutoCrop
44. cmd_CanvasResize
45. cmd_Resize
46. cmd_Deskew
47. cmd_Rotate
48. cmd_Rotate180
49. cmd_Gammasat
50. cmd_Conbright
51. cmd_HLS
52. cmd_Levels
53. cmd_Sepia
54. cmd_Posterize
55. cmd_Solarize
56. cmd_Equalize
57. cmd_Normalize
58. cmd_LogLut
59. cmd_Negative
60. cmd_AutoContrast
61. cmd_AutoLevels
62. cmd_CountColors
63. cmd_ShowHexa
64. cmd_StopMovie
65. cmd_ShowInfo
66. cmd_ShowMask
67. cmd_LastPage
68. cmd_FirstPage
69. cmd_LastFile
70. cmd_FirstFile
71. cmd_RealSize
72. cmd_ShowGPS
73. cmd_EXIFExport
74. cmd_IPTCExport
75. cmd_EditIPTC
76. cmd_CopyEXIFCommentIntoComment
77. cmd_CopyCaptionToComment
78. cmd_CopyCommentIntoCaption
79. cmd_EditComment
80. cmd_Describe
81. cmd_SelectNone
82. cmd_SelectAll
83. cmd_Clear
84. cmd_QuickPrint
85. cmd_Export
86. cmd_Reopen
87. cmd_ShellEdit
88. cmd_ShellOpen
89. cmd_Forum
90. cmd_WEB
91. cmd_Plugins
92. cmd_Formats
93. cmd_Tips
94. cmd_Help
95. cmd_Panorama
96. cmd_CreateMultipage
97. cmd_SlideShow
98. cmd_SequenceConvert
99. cmd_Quit
100. cmd_WIA
101. cmd_BatchScan
102. cmd_ScanSetup
103. cmd_ViewHex

XnTriq

Hello W. !

• Good job, as usual… Just some remarks :

1. The numbering of the main.bmp patterns starts from “0” up to “44”, it's the way the computers count,
and it's set in the xxxx.bar files, so we might stick to, in order to avoid confusions…

2. The browser.bmp contains 11 patterns. I drew a full matching one for my skin “Cathy”,
but I persist in claiming that such a 16² size is too small nowadays, and doesn't allow to draw nice images.

3. At least, the jpgbar.bmp might be a mandatory part of every skin… Easier to draw (32²), but that even dimension
leads still to 2-pixel thick axis, rather inconvenient to get nice balanced patterns.

4. About the patterns for commands else than the ones of the main bitmap, a poll could define the “head-wagon”,
I mean the most needed ones… Maybe asking for a dozen to choose at least - that seems a reasonable amount.
- And of course, always a skin wildcard (empty, but with BG-colours-frame),
plus a couple of empty 8 BPP and 32 BPP wildcards (same size only).

• I assume that such a poll could be started in the Customization section, with links to here, for instance ?

KR
Claude
Clo

Clo wrote:1. The numbering of the main.bmp patterns starts from “0” up to “44”, it's the way the computers count,
and it's set in the xxxx.bar files, so we might stick to, in order to avoid confusions…

I didn't post the list to provide a template for skin.bmp or tool.bar files.
It's meant as a reference for icon designers as well as users, so everyone can gain an overview of all available commands, which ones are already covered by the bitmaps and how many are not.

Clo wrote:2. The browser.bmp contains 11 patterns.

Only three (New Folder, Rename, Delete) of the commands from the small Browser toolbar can be appended to the Basic, View or the main Browser toolbar. The rest cannot be added:

1. Up one level
2. Favourites
3. View as
4. Refresh
5. Sort by
6. Filter
7. Back
8. Forward

Clo wrote:• I assume that such a poll could be started in the Customization section, with links to here, for instance ?

Yes, that's what I had in mind.