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Are basic image operations lossless for JPEG?
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 6:56 pm
by laurent45654
I'm thinking for example mirroring, cropping, rotating, etc. Are those operation lossless for JPEG files? If not, is there a way to do lossless operations?
Edit: By the way this is my first post - and I want to thank the developers for their incredible work. This app makes me save so much time managing big image libraries.
Re: Are basic image operations lossless for JPEG?
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:11 pm
by Kadet
Only rotation can be lossless. In other case, if You do something You have only one option — save image using lossless compression: jxl (Jpeg XL), webp. If You want jpg as saved file, use 100% compression rate (and use jpegli method).
Re: Are basic image operations lossless for JPEG?
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:55 pm
by cday
I've never used a xnview JPEG lossless operation but thought that there were several, and searching the editor menus have located them currently located in the
Metadata tab, surely a strange place for them? You might therefore like to take a look at the several supported options.
You might also like to take a look at this
Wiki page, dated 2010 and written for XnView Classic, to see if it adds anything useful, or for further information and background search online.
Regarding saving to JPEG, saving at a quallity value greater than 90% is accepted as resulting in no perceptible gain in image quality, while generally resulting in a substantial increase in file size.
Note:
Surely the
Lossless transformations (JPEG) option would be better located in the
Edit or
Image tab, although I see that making the interface consistent might possibly necessitate moving one or two of those options.
Re: Are basic image operations lossless for JPEG?
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:40 pm
by Kadet
cday wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:55 pm
Regarding saving to JPEG, saving at a quallity value greater than 90% is accepted as resulting in no perceptible gain in image quality, while generally resulting in a substantial increase in file size.
If You don't zoom the image, even 88% quality can look like lossless, but after zooming (300%) You can see jpeg deformation for less than 97% quality settings.
Re: Are basic image operations lossless for JPEG?
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:14 pm
by laurent45654
>... the editor menus have located them currently located in the Metadata tab
Thanks a lot for this, I completely missed the options were there and it includes lossless horizontal flip too which I often need.