To throw in my 2 cents: i think double-clicking on an EVEN THINNER seperator would be hard to do. I think it's ok as it is - i don't care about 2 pixels more or less.
One minor thing though: the resize icon with 2 lines ( <-||-> ) is normally being used if there's a completely collapsed (invisible) coulmn between 2 visible coloumns. So the icon with just one line would be more appropriate: <-|->
Thinner separators, and double-click
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I think the new, thinner separator is as functional as old one, while freeing a bit of space and adding lightness to XnView appearance.
I would like to note, that it looks to me like size of active area of separators are the same, so arguments about not-so-easy grabbing of separator are invalid and come out of user auto-suggestion. Also XnView does not care for accessibility features so I don't see any reason it should care here.
I would like to note, that it looks to me like size of active area of separators are the same, so arguments about not-so-easy grabbing of separator are invalid and come out of user auto-suggestion. Also XnView does not care for accessibility features so I don't see any reason it should care here.
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Thank you for the answer, Pierre.xnview wrote:No, it's not possibleOlivier_G wrote:-> Pierre, is it possible to include that outline into the active area?
So what about this suggestion:
- Active button has been enlarged to 8 pixels in width and 39 in height (vs: 6x31 for previous ones).
- 3D outline (ie: inactive area) is only 1 pixel large.
-> It is slightly smaller than the previous large separator while offering 60% more width for useful/active area. I think it is a good compromise of the various opinions expressed previously.
Olivier
PS: For comparison, here are current implementation (left) and previous suggestion (right):
As far as I understand the issue:
- The 3D effect is handled by the GUI manager and Pierre has little control over it: you'll get a 3-4 pixel inactive outline anyway. The only thing you can do is choose the type of outline -> it might be somewhat improved here.
- It might be possible to skip completely that 3D effect and include it in the design of the separators (+whole separator would be active). The issue is that it requires more testing and design work and can't be implemented for 1.90.
Summary: Pierre might come with a slightly better looking solution for 1.90 (with the same active size, etc...). And that's all we should hope for now...
Pierre, is this accurate?
- The 3D effect is handled by the GUI manager and Pierre has little control over it: you'll get a 3-4 pixel inactive outline anyway. The only thing you can do is choose the type of outline -> it might be somewhat improved here.
- It might be possible to skip completely that 3D effect and include it in the design of the separators (+whole separator would be active). The issue is that it requires more testing and design work and can't be implemented for 1.90.
Summary: Pierre might come with a slightly better looking solution for 1.90 (with the same active size, etc...). And that's all we should hope for now...
Pierre, is this accurate?
Olivier
Yes, but currently i can't change it for this versionOlivier_G wrote:As far as I understand the issue:
- The 3D effect is handled by the GUI manager and Pierre has little control over it: you'll get a 3-4 pixel inactive outline anyway. The only thing you can do is choose the type of outline -> it might be somewhat improved here.
- It might be possible to skip completely that 3D effect and include it in the design of the separators (+whole separator would be active). The issue is that it requires more testing and design work and can't be implemented for 1.90.
Summary: Pierre might come with a slightly better looking solution for 1.90 (with the same active size, etc...). And that's all we should hope for now...
Pierre, is this accurate?
Pierre.
Not sure whether this has been discussed before or not:
In Beta 6 all separators "blink" when moving the mouse onto the arrow for minimizing/maximizing the pane area. I.e. the separator is shown in dark gray (instead of light grey). This is a nice gimmick, but
a.) the user is irritated (at least I am whenever moving the mouse onto such an arrow).
b.) if the user happens to move the mouse over the area, the whole separator blinks for a quick instant which is again irritating.
I strongly recommend not to make the separator dark gray. Changing the symbol is enough visual feedback.
In Beta 6 all separators "blink" when moving the mouse onto the arrow for minimizing/maximizing the pane area. I.e. the separator is shown in dark gray (instead of light grey). This is a nice gimmick, but
a.) the user is irritated (at least I am whenever moving the mouse onto such an arrow).
b.) if the user happens to move the mouse over the area, the whole separator blinks for a quick instant which is again irritating.
I strongly recommend not to make the separator dark gray. Changing the symbol is enough visual feedback.
