Terminology of rating system

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Terminology of rating system

Postby XnTriq » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:15 am

IMO the terminology (in both XnView v1.9 and MP) should be changed to what seems to be the standard for 5-star rating systems:

  1. Poor Bad
  2. Fair Below average
  3. Average
  4. Good
  5. Excellent

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby JohnFredC » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:53 pm

Yes, much better!
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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby budz45 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:34 pm

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby marsh » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:37 am

+1

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby helmut » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:01 pm

+1 (Just wondering what the equivalent standard in German is...)

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby Vapavite123 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:19 am

Hello,

Si changement accepté !

Traduction en français

Poor : ne pas traduire par "Pauvre" mais "Médiocre"
Fair : ne pas traduire par "Juste" mais "Raisonnable"

Exemple : Google traduction utilise le premier sens des termes :!:

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby XnTriq » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:30 pm

This has been updated in MP, but — as of v1.99.6 — it's still the same in XnView “Classic”.

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby XnTriq » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:00 am

All versions of XnView should use the same terminology in their rating system:

  • Excellent
  • Good
  • Average
  • Fair Below average
  • Poor Bad

As of version v2.37, Classic still hasn't been updated.

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby helmut » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:09 pm

Thanks for raising this issue again, XnTriq. Before changing the English terms for rating in XnView Classic I'd like to discuss the current rating terminology.

When translating the current English terms (see above) to German it's not easy to find the matching words for the English ratings. Translating in other languages might also be difficult. Independantly from each other Herb and I found a different rating terminology which is both clear and very simple to translate into other languages. I've read some few sources and found a the ranking terminology Herb and I have in mind in Wording for rating scales (University of Wisconsin-Extension) for example. The rating mentioned there is a balanced (symmetric) rating:

1. Very good
2. Good
3. Neutral
4. Bad
5. Very bad

Other terms and ranges are also possible, e.g.:

1. Good
2. Above average
3. Average
4. Below average
5. Bad

Not sure whether a balanced rating is better for rating images or not. But I guess it's the balance / symmetry which makes translating into other languages easier. And when switching from one language to another it's less likely that the rating has a (slightly) different meaning. So I think a balanced (symmetric) rating is the way to go.

Other opinions? Is someone familiar with 5 star rating terminology in multiple languages?

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby cday » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:10 pm

helmut wrote:Other opinions?

My initial reaction on reading XnTriq's post today was that 'Average' and 'Fair' have about the same meaning to me in English; then I read the whole thread, and saw that they corresponded to the rating system in some other software, and they had in the past received strong support.

I think the latest suggested wording is much clearer (although personally I would differ from the University of Wisconsin in preferring 'Poor' and 'Very poor' to 'Bad' and 'Very bad').

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby XnTriq » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:30 am

Linguee (English-German Dictionary: “poor fair good very good excellent”) wrote:

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1 - poor;       2 - fair;         3 - good; 4 - very good; 5 - excellent.
1 - mangelhaft; 2 - befriedigend; 3 - gut;  4 - sehr gut;  5 - hervorragend.

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby helmut » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:52 am

Thank you for the many links and references, XnTriq. I haven't read all the documents and articles - what I understood is:

- Ratings for images should have one rating for out-takes/crap which can be deleted later and apart from this a diversity of "good" ratings (means a non-balanced rating).

- There is a kind of "standard" for quality ratings in general which is in English "1 - poor; 2 - fair; 3 - good; 4 - very good; 5 - excellent.".

Right?

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby XnTriq » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:45 pm

helmut wrote:There is a kind of "standard" for quality ratings in general which is in English "1 - poor; 2 - fair; 3 - good; 4 - very good; 5 - excellent.".

At least this seems to be the most commonly used wording when it comes to 5-point (vs. 7-point etc.) rating systems for quality (vs. level of agreement/difficulty/priority etc.) in questionnaires (survey research).
I was hoping for a standard terminology in metadata formats such as IPTC and XMP or even ID3, but to my surprise, there are no such guidelines or recommendations.

helmut wrote:Ratings for images should have one rating for out-takes/crap which can be deleted later and apart from this a diversity of "good" ratings (means a non-balanced rating).

The “ratings pyramid”…

    5 stars
    4 stars
    3 stars
    2 stars
    1 star
    Neutral
    Outtakes
… commonly referred to in digital asset management (DAM).


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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby helmut » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:43 pm

Thanks for looking up and providing the most important links, XnTriq. From what I can see, the rating pyramid with its ratings "outtakes", "neutral", and 1-5 stars is the way to go. As a side effect the translation problem would be solved. :-)

I wonder what to do about existing ratings. Perhaps existing ratings could be migrated automatically using a predefined mapping when installing the XnView version with the new rating system.

Do other users agree? Other opinions?

(Please note that a decision on this matter or even a change in XnView shouldn't be made quickly because of the big effect on existing ratings.)

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Re: Terminology of rating system

Postby XnTriq » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:00 pm

If I'm not mistaken, all we need is the already requested flag or picks feature in addition to the star rating that's already in place.

  • unrated = neutral
  • black flag = rejected = outtakes
  • white flag = accepted
I don't think this would break the existing system or have an adverse effect on compatibility with other apllications.


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