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Improvements for Search dialog

Post by loth » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:35 pm

hi all,


first:
i moved to a new flat and are not connected to the holy internet. (for now)
so i cannot research the forum for articles which may be doublettes of my following posts.
i'm commiting the following posts from a place, where i can't research the forum as long as i could do from home :-)
so please excuse any "doublettes", if so.



i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

-renaming the button "view" to "browse", because it doesnt show/view the picture(s), but open them all in a browser window.

-add "MB" to search->options->file size

-an additional button "view"


now a question (which might be answered reading the manual/faq?):
search->options->format
does the search find its results using the file extension or the header of the file?
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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by xnview » Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:42 am

loth wrote:-renaming the button "view" to "browse", because it doesnt show/view the picture(s), but open them all in a browser window.
I think that the term "browse" is better. What do you think?
-add "MB" to search->options->file size
Ok
-an additional button "view"
Ok, for 1 result, but for more than 1 found file??
now a question (which might be answered reading the manual/faq?):
search->options->format
does the search find its results using the file extension or the header of the file?
extension & header
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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by helmut » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:02 pm

xnview wrote:
loth wrote:-renaming the button "view" to "browse", because it doesnt show/view the picture(s), but open them all in a browser window.
I think that the term "browse" is better. What do you think?
What it makes a bit confusing is the term "View". I think "Browse" is better, but it sounds as if you simply return to the browser. Perhaps "Show" would be a good term (short version of "Show results in browser").

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Post by Clo » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:50 pm

• Hi !

¤ "Display…" or "Watch result" seems convenient too; that fits on the button (In French too).
- Anyway, there is room around it, it could be enlarged a bit at width if needed by other languages…

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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by Dreamer » Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:37 am

helmut wrote:
xnview wrote:
loth wrote:-renaming the button "view" to "browse", because it doesnt show/view the picture(s), but open them all in a browser window.
I think that the term "browse" is better. What do you think?
What it makes a bit confusing is the term "View". I think "Browse" is better, but it sounds as if you simply return to the browser. Perhaps "Show" would be a good term (short version of "Show results in browser").
I just wanted to suggest "Show" (the list of files/thumbnails). :) So I agree.

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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by Dreamer » Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:42 am

xnview wrote:
loth wrote:-an additional button "view"
Ok, for 1 result, but for more than 1 found file??
Maybe you could show the list of found files in search dialog, same as in Batch rename, then user could select any file and open it, also with a double click maybe...? Maybe "Open" would be better - Open and Show, since View and Show would be very similar and confusing.

E.g.:

[23 files found] ... [Show]

[image1.jpg ]
[image2.jpg ] ... [Open]
[image3.jpg ]
...

Anyway, not too important...

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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by loth » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:43 pm

xnview wrote:
loth wrote:-renaming the button "view" to "browse", because it doesnt show/view the picture(s), but open them all in a browser window.
I think that the term "browse" is better. What do you think?
what about "browse results" ? the tooltip of the button could be more specific ;) if the user is unsure what this means.
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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by helmut » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:15 pm

Dreamer wrote:
xnview wrote:
loth wrote:-an additional button "view"
Ok, for 1 result, but for more than 1 found file??
Maybe you could show the list of found files in search dialog, same as in Batch rename, then user could select any file and open it, also with a double click maybe...? Maybe "Open" would be better - Open and Show, since View and Show would be very similar and confusing.
As long as the results can be seen in browser only, I think "Show" is a good wording.

Once browsing and viewing the result is both possible, I would call these "View" and "Browse" to give the user an indication that in one case the results are shown in viewer, in the other case shown in Browser.

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Re: i'd like to have the search dialog somehow improved :*)

Post by loth » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:25 am

Dreamer wrote:
xnview wrote:
loth wrote:-an additional button "view"
Ok, for 1 result, but for more than 1 found file??
[23 files found] ... [Show]
i don't like that much, because what the button does (until now), is browsing the thumbnails and not showing the pictures found.
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Post by Clo » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:52 pm

:arrow: loth

:) Hello !

- If I get you alright, you would prefer to browse the real entire images,
instead to get a table of thumb-nails for the search result ?

- In that case, these images could be copied into a real temp. directory planned for that use, then the "Show" (or whatever caption) button should open the first image in "View", allowing to browse them as usual.

- Indeed, this could take a pretty while whether you have a lot of big files, but finally could be suitable : browsing the images directly is faster than to display them from a thumb-nails table one by one, and I guess that this should bring an advantage, in the average.
- Each search-result could be saved into an <History List> as a text-file, in sections having the masks for titles, allowing to reopen any former search result. Of course, reachable from a menu or so.
- Means to clear the temp. dir before each new search display might be implemented, there are several ways, and it is not my cup of tea :P

- Anyway, this could be an option for advanced users, so it could be set via an INI entry only, while the current behaviour (thumb-nails) should stay the default one…
- What do you think ? :D

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Re: Instead---

Post by loth » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:15 am

Clo wrote: - If I get you alright, you would prefer to browse the real entire images,
instead to get a table of thumb-nails for the search result ?
yes. in some way ;-)
but not, as you described, with copying the files of the <search result> into a temp.dir. this could take way too long, as you said too, especially on network-drives.

but an additional button "copy/move <search result> to file/path"
additional options:
[x] write a textfile with the filenames (if not checked, it would copy the files, instead of making a list)
[x] include fullpaths

would be great.
but this is just another idea now ;-)

so, what i meant was, that i only need to open the search result(s) in fullscreenmode (or windowed or whatelse, i only use FS-mode) (but not all at once...) and scroll through the results via the normal keys (as if the user were in fullscreenmode)

but btw:
your idea with <history list> is very good! i also needed to save some search results and reload them later. but i didnt had the time to request that feature (or did i and forgot?) 8-)
so maybe we open another thread for that requested feature?
Clo wrote: - In that case, these images could be copied into a real temp. directory planned for that use, then the "Show" (or whatever caption) button should open the first image in "View", allowing to browse them as usual.

- Indeed, this could take a pretty while whether you have a lot of big files, but finally could be suitable : browsing the images directly is faster than to display them from a thumb-nails table one by one, and I guess that this should bring an advantage, in the average.
- Each search-result could be saved into an <History List> as a text-file, in sections having the masks for titles, allowing to reopen any former search result. Of course, reachable from a menu or so.
- Means to clear the temp. dir before each new search display might be implemented, there are several ways, and it is not my cup of tea :P

- Anyway, this could be an option for advanced users, so it could be set via an INI entry only, while the current behaviour (thumb-nails) should stay the default one…
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Post by klumy » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:35 pm

here are some more suggestions for the Searchfunction:

- add a toolbar button for the search, so you have faster access to it

- or better an extra search field within the XnView browser window, so you can make a quicksearch without opening the advanced search window. The search results would be directly displayed in the browser as thumbnails.

- this search would support "search as you type"
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Post by Clo » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:24 pm

:arrow: loth

:) Good evening,
…but not, as you described, with copying the files of the <search result> into a temp.dir. …
¤ This is the simplest way currently with regard to the existing features…
- I could be convenient i.e. for a lot of small pics like icons in folders containing hundreds of them, that I have here…
- I thought too to a virtual item like a kind of “Image-basket” to host the search-results. This doesn't care of the file-sizes, since only the paths/names are copied into.
- But this is not so easy to add, although this exists in DeLuxe as "Collections" or so, and should be added in a future standard version.
- Both ways (or more) could lead to a bunch of INI options, it could be very flexible according to each user's needs…
¤ Indeed, a “History-list” should be very useful, and not too complicated to implement I guess. We can't get any extra button in the tool-bar currently, this doesn't help, and this lacuna appears more and more in several threads about various suggestions for various features…
¤ Unfortunately, a big improvement of the tool-bar thing is not at the top of the Pierre's ToDo (endless) list, according to that he said. :|

{ About : Save the search-results }
…so maybe we open another thread for that requested feature?
:D Why not ? It's a bit specific, though it is not quite off-topic here. I could do it if you have no time enough. ;)

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Post by Dreamer » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:54 pm

klumy wrote:- add a toolbar button for the search, so you have faster access to it
There is already a toolbar button - "Search files". :)

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Post by Clo » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:56 am

:arrow: Dreamer

:) Hello !

- I make skins :D

- I mean buttons to reopen former searches … And for the features loth wishes : display / hide the current Seach according to his criteria…

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