IPTC data visible in WinXP Explorer?

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IPTC data visible in WinXP Explorer?

Post by AschER » Thu May 11, 2006 8:52 am

Hi,

like to know if it's possible to see/read the IPTC data (of jpgs) with the WinXP Explorer.
If ... please tell me, witch fields in XN-View must be filled.

Need some "urgent" help in this topic.

Regards KUK

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Post by Lesmo16 » Thu May 11, 2006 9:32 am

Look here: http://photothumb.com/IPTCExt/index.shtml

HTH urgent enough :wink:
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Post by AschER » Thu May 11, 2006 10:15 am

thanks a lot - but that's not what I'm looking for

I need something to fill the given fields (like data-Dateiinfo/ discription-Beschreibung & source-Quelle).
If they are filled, my lovely customer can read/see them.
--> It might be a litte bit to diffficult to install the prog on every customers pc. ;o)

Can I do that with XN-View or do I need another prog?

Thanks KUK

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Post by xnview » Thu May 11, 2006 11:25 am

AschER wrote:thanks a lot - but that's not what I'm looking for

I need something to fill the given fields (like data-Dateiinfo/ discription-Beschreibung & source-Quelle).
If they are filled, my lovely customer can read/see them.
--> It might be a litte bit to diffficult to install the prog on every customers pc. ;o)

Can I do that with XN-View or do I need another prog?
You can edit IPTC with xnView!
Pierre.

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Re: IPTC data visible in WinXP Explorer?

Post by helmut » Thu May 11, 2006 8:41 pm

AschER wrote:like to know if it's possible to see/read the IPTC data (of jpgs) with the WinXP Explorer.
If ... please tell me, witch fields in XN-View must be filled.
In Windows Explorer on Windows XP SP2 when opening the properties of an image file you can see various fields like title, subject, author, and so on, I guess that you mean those fields.
I've just tried out and filled the ITPC data in XnView, but those fields remained empty. These fields seem to be proprietary fields of Windows and currently cannot be filled with XnView. I'm just guessing here, maybe somebody else (Pierre?) knows more about these fields.

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Post by Lesmo16 » Thu May 11, 2006 8:51 pm

Seems if nobody tried the posted ShellExtension.
It does everything that was requested.
You can view IPTC fields in the details view by customizing the columns to choose which fields you want to see.
IPTCExt also adds pages to the property sheet for jpeg files that allows you to edit IPTC data for one or multiple files.
So once again: http://photothumb.com/IPTCExt/index.shtml
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Post by AschER » Sat May 20, 2006 4:37 pm

@ Lesmo 16 - it does not.

I tried it. AND it's not the thing I asked for.
I'd like to fill the fields that normal users (without any helpers) can view.
I don't want to add several fields.

@ XN-View
I know, that I can edit fields with XN-View. But these fields are not shown to a normal Windows user. At least not to a XP 2nd Edition user.
With additional tools like XN-View or similar proggs it's possible. But I'd like to fill the Windows fields.

@ Helmut
I guess you'r right. These fields might be proprietary fields of windows ...

Does anybody know, how to get information saved in there?

Regards KUK

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Post by negg » Sun May 21, 2006 1:49 pm

I also tried with other tools (Photoshop and Exifer) neither of which shows the fields if I fill them in windows explorer. However the information is stored in the image file right at the beginning (I can see this in a binary viewer). I start getting curious what these fields are...
XnView 1.93.4 on Windows XP SP2

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Post by martin10018 » Mon May 22, 2006 12:28 pm

AschER wrote:@ Lesmo 16 - it does not.

Does anybody know, how to get information saved in there?

Regards KUK
Though it's a little bit late:

Microsoft Digital Image Suite fills the title, author and label fields. The new Windows Media Player 11 fills some of them also.

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Re: IPTC data visible in WinXP Explorer?

Post by Eneraldo Carneiro » Tue May 23, 2006 6:11 pm

AschER wrote:Hi,

like to know if it's possible to see/read the IPTC data (of jpgs) with the WinXP Explorer.
If ... please tell me, witch fields in XN-View must be filled.

Need some "urgent" help in this topic.

Regards KUK
Hi

Try PixVue - www.pixvue.com. Among other things (read, write IPTC/XMP metadata, etc...) it allows to add new columns, with Exif AND IPTC/XMP metadata in the Details view of Explorer. You can choose wich one do you want to display. I think this is what you are looking for.

Best
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Post by AschER » Mon May 29, 2006 4:18 pm

@ Eneraldo - thanks for your help - but it does not work the way I need it. PixVue works like many other progs - it shows on MY pc the EXIF and IPTC data. But not on a pc without PixVue installed.

More helpful might be the hint from Martin --> Microsoft Digital Image Suite
Never heard of it.
Maybe that helps. I will have a close look.
--> downloading the trial version ... hope I can tell more about it later on ;)

Anyone else an idea?

Regards KUK

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Post by AschER » Mon May 29, 2006 7:32 pm

Yesssss!

It works! At least I filled some infos in and these have been displayed with the MS Explorer as well.
BUT not with Xn-View!
You can view it with the Hex-Editor --> the new info will be displayed on the right hand side.
I guess the information is not compatible with the IPTC standard.

Thanks for your help

Regards KUK

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Post by Eneraldo Carneiro » Mon May 29, 2006 7:36 pm

AschER wrote:@ Eneraldo - thanks for your help - but it does not work the way I need it. PixVue works like many other progs - it shows on MY pc the EXIF and IPTC data. But not on a pc without PixVue installed.

More helpful might be the hint from Martin --> Microsoft Digital Image Suite
Never heard of it.
Maybe that helps. I will have a close look.
--> downloading the trial version ... hope I can tell more about it later on ;)

Anyone else an idea?

Regards KUK
Dear AschER

I'm affraid that the only way to have what you want would be IF XP or any Microsoft OSs give native support to EXIF and/or IPTC. By now I don't know any. XP SP 2, which I use, do not. Microsoft have it's own proprietary metadata scheme displayed as "summary" in the file's Properties window. This IS NOT EXIF nor IPTC standards.
The only way I know now to display EXIF and/or IPTC in Windows is through some application.
If I'm wrong, please anybody let me know.

Best regards

Eneraldo Carneiro
Photographer
Brazil
Eneraldo Carneiro
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Post by marsh » Mon May 29, 2006 8:27 pm

Win2k's explorer file properties> "summary" fields use alternate data streams (a NTFS feature). More information on this can be found at Wikipedia.

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Post by Eneraldo Carneiro » Mon May 29, 2006 9:16 pm

marsh wrote:Win2k's explorer file properties> "summary" fields use alternate data streams (a NTFS feature). More information on this can be found at Wikipedia.
Sure marsh.

Nobody questions that. The point is that these "summary" fields are Microsoft's own metadata format, and shouldn't by no means be (mis)taken as EXIF and/or IPTC which are different metadata standards.
As far as I know no Microsoft's OSs (I think macs neither) do support natively EXIF nor IPTC, what, I think, are necessary to display EXIF/IPTC values in Details view of Windows Explorer, that is what AschER ask for in this forum an begin this thread. I fail to see what these "alternate data streams" have to do with all this, but I'm just a photographer, not a programer.
To know more about IPTC see www.iptc.org, and EXIF in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXIF, and a deeper discution on metatagging of digital image files (among other issues, including keywording, Digital Asset Management, etc.) using IPTC metadata see www.controlledvocabulary.com and the controlledvocabulary group (members only) in Yahoo.

Best regards
Eneraldo Carneiro
Photographer
Brazil

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