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Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by budz45 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:09 am

Hi,

Right, I just don't feel satisfied with only this "Copy pathname" that is currently in these MP beta's. It's juts my opinion. Also the "Copy pathname" only copies the folder path and not the full path including filename. Ok, see bwlo for my list of suggestions.

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1. I think "Copy pathname" should be removed and replaced with TWO new menu items:
'Clipboard: copy path(s)'
and second
'Clipboard: copy more'

.. I made this mock-up to show how it would look like :) :
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- So the 'Clipboard: copy path(s)' would copy the full path to a file (e.g. C:\Users\Desktop\3-CARS.png)
- and the 'Clipboard: copy more' would give a sub-menu to users for more clipboard copying operations just like the XYplorer example.

sub-menu in XYplorer of what the 'Clipboard: copy more' would do
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So in Xnview MP the 'Clipboard: copy more' would sub-menu to;
Folder path(s)
Filename(s) only
UNC

Plus more could be added later. 8)

2. The 'Clipboard: copy path(s)' would of course support copying paths to selected multiple files in the Browser (e.g. mouse-select 2,3,5 files and copy their path's to a downward list like a file-manager can)

3. Both these menu's need to be accessible in the Viewer mode too and not just the Browser mode. It's just that in Viewer the brackets of '(s)' in 'Clipboard: copy path(s)' would not be needed.

4. Both these new menu items should have an icon (16x6 for menu and 24x24 for toolbar), yes this would require help from mezich in this topic about icons for these, that is if these proposals in this topic are first approved.

I hope everyone agrees with this request.
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by JohnFredC » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:22 pm

Yep. Very good suggestions.

I think "Copy special..." is the standard nomenclature for this sort of thing, though.

Perhaps an INI setting to determine the default behavior (instead of navigating that big menu every time) would be good.
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by budz45 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:44 am

JohnFredC wrote: I think "Copy special..." is the standard nomenclature for this sort of thing, though.
OK, :)

.. So get rid of the 'Clipboard:' prefixes and just leave them as:

'Copy path(s)'
and
'Copy special' >

These are simpler, more concise and would translate to other languages more better don't you agree? :)
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by budz45 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:46 am

"Copy Path" icon created; http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.p ... 150#p90804 :D

So just awaiting the feature (should be dead easy).. for both the browser mode and viewer mode menu's...

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One last request concerning this feature and that is...
5. How about displaying the status of a copied path item in the XnView MP status bar using colored text (I chose Green but standard blue would be ok). Text could also do a quick fade effect when disappearing.
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It would be really informative to users and nice in order to signify that this 'copy path' action had taken place.
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by xnview » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:27 pm

So what do you think about:

Copy filename(s)
Copy special >
  • Copy image data
    Copy pathname(s)
    Copy name(s)
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by budz45 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:49 pm

xnview wrote:So what do you think about:

Copy filename(s)
Copy special >
  • Copy image data
    Copy pathname(s)
    Copy name(s)
"Copy filename(s)"??

I intended it menu to be like this:

+Copy path(s)

+Copy special >
~Copy image data
~Copy filename(s)
~Copy folder path(s)


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Copy path(s) = means copying full file path to any file(s) e.g. a picture of a FULL file path of "C:\Users\Desktop\cars.gif"

"Copy filename(s)" = would go under 'copy special' sub-menu. Copying filenames would only copy just the name of the file(s)

Copy pathname = would get renamed to 'copy folder path(s)' as that's what it does and it would go under 'Copy Special'


:D

Please also observe two further things:
-Both items need to have some support for folders in the Browser mode.
-Both, or at least 'Copy path(s)' only should be accessible from the Viewer mode too.
-the "(s)" would only auto-display on menu when dealing with multiple files in the Browser mode.
-perhaps under 'copy special' for Viewer mode only, there could be a 'Copy all tab path(s)' feature too, to copy all opened tabs full file path's
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by xnview » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:35 pm

budz45 wrote: Copy filename(s)
Copy special >
  • Copy image data
    Copy pathname(s)
    Copy name(s)
For me 'copy filename' copy the full filename (path+name), 'copy pathname' copy only path
not right? :)
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by budz45 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:13 am

xnview wrote:So what do you think about:

Copy filename(s)
Copy special >
  • Copy image data
    Copy pathname(s)
    Copy name(s)
Could you add this into the next beta, maybe?
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by xnview » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:26 am

budz45 wrote:
xnview wrote:So what do you think about:

Copy filename(s)
Copy special >
  • Copy image data
    Copy pathname(s)
    Copy name(s)
Could you add this into the next beta, maybe?
Currently we have:
Copy => Copy full filename
Copy Image data
Copy filename(s) => Copy full filename ????

So i think that we must have:
  • Copy
    Copy special
    • Copy Image data
      Copy name(s)
      Copy pathname(s)
Right??
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by JohnFredC » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:04 pm

IMO there is still some ambiguity about wording.

What is a "name?" It is not clear.

Here are suggestions for wordings and functionality:

Copy to clipboard>
  • Current image only
    Current image metadata only
    Selected file(s)
    Selected filename(s) and path(s)
    Selected filename(s) only
Best to err on the side of "too many words", IMO.

As an aside, if the menu structure existed as a text file (*.mnu, perhaps) a la TC, then the users could create their own wording etc...! IMO MP menus should have been designed that way at the outset.
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by xnview » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:22 pm

What's the difference between?
Selected file(s)
Selected filename(s) and path(s)

And Copy can be already used as a copy of 'filename(s) and path(s)'!
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by JohnFredC » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:52 pm

I responded to this thread because it is rarely explicitly clear ( :shock: to me) what is getting copied under all circumstances. What does "image data" mean? Just the bitmap? Just the metadata? The entire file?

Admitting ignorance, here, but this is what I meant to convey:
  • Current image only: Just the bitmap, in whatever default formats the clipboard supports, for pasting into any software that can accept a bitmap from the clipboard.

    Current image metadata only: Just the image metadata, in a format that MP could use to paste into the metadata of another image.

    Selected file(s): Clipboard data sufficient to paste into a folder displayed in Explorer or another file manager (including MP) for purposes of copying the entire disk file(s).

    Selected filename(s) and path(s): A text list of full filepaths (path + name). Perhaps a connection with the Create->File list... dialog would be appropriate here. That dialog should (but doesn't currently) have a standard UI control group for saving file list templates. The user would identify a default file list template and the "Copy Selected filename(s) and paths(s)" could use that. Or ask the user which template to use.

    Selected filename(s) only: A text list of filenames only
Does MP populate the clipboard with all possible formats in one action? If so, then the multiple options should occur on the Paste Special end of things, and a simple Copy menu item should suffice.

Perhaps these options are not necessary in MP, but I notice that other softwares make distinctions between them.
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by Vapavite123 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:38 am

Hello,

Quote xnview :
So i think that we must have:
Copy
Copy special
Copy Image data
Copy name(s)
Copy pathname(s)
Right??
YES :!:

Quote johnFredC
Copy to clipboard>
Current image only
Current image metadata only
Selected file(s)
Selected filename(s) and path(s)
Selected filename(s) only
English :
French:
The selected file (s) = Copy! Common to all programs

Image metadata, if possible (will be great!) Should be done only in the Metadata options!

XnViewMP deserves a "media support" or actually would specify its endless possibilities and answer any questions johnFredC me and all other legitimately arise. It is not clear (sometimes impossible) for a designer to find a simple name that would define the entire scope of action.
In this instance, for example, add "Copy Special" and then listing, warns that one must be careful and it seems to me clear and sufficient

French:
Le fichier sélectionné (s) = Copie ! Propre à tous les programmes

Métadonnées de l’image : si cela est possible (se serait génial !) devrait se faire seulement dans les options des Métadonnées !

XnViewMP mérite un « support d’aide » ou effectivement serait spécifier ses innombrables possibilités et répondre aux questions que johnFredC, moi et tous les autres se posent légitimement. Il n’est pas évident (des fois impossible) pour un concepteur de trouver une appellation simple qui définirait l’entièreté des possibilités d’une action.
Dans ce cas çi par exemple, ajouter « Copie spéciale » et ensuite l’énumération, prévient qu’il faut être attentif et cela me paraît clair et suffisant

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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by budz45 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:00 pm

Right,

In 0.38.8 alpha, it currently now newly like this:
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but, Pierre, I have changed it a little to better look like this IMO:
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I included both mezich's icons (his cmd_copySpecial and cmd_copyPath), I added the suffix of 'only' to two copy items of "selected". I also added the all important "Copy Full Path(s)" (which copies path+filename) :D This looks nicer.

btw, it would be good if you kept 'Copy Full path' still as an editable toolbar icon even if would be under a sub-menu - it's the second most important clipboard copy feature after of course the main 'Copy' action. I also would like to see the 'Copy Full path' toolbar item available for Viewer mode toolbar customize too
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Re: Request: Remove "Copy pathname" and replace it with...

Post by xnview » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:39 am

budz45 wrote: btw, it would be good if you kept 'Copy Full path' still as an editable toolbar icon even if would be under a sub-menu - it's the second most important clipboard copy feature after of course the main 'Copy' action. I also would like to see the 'Copy Full path' toolbar item available for Viewer mode toolbar customize too
What's the difference between "Copy full path" & "Copy path"???
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