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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:01 am
by helmut
Dreamer wrote:..
You right click the view tab 1 and choose "close other", but - browser tab is still opened. Same with the "close all".
- Close
- Close other image tabs
- Close all image tabs

is not too bad, but not correct, either. There might be audio and video files opened.

I still think that the short solution is best:
- Close
- Close other
- Close all

My 0.02€

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:52 am
by Clo
:) Hello !

• Although this is not a big issue for me, since I close the tabs by 2-click, I guess that only three entries can't satisfy all cases, and that a too simplified wording is not meaningful.
- The room is not a problem for a menu, and anyway the strings will be longer in the most other languages…

- Close —> Could be enough for the active file-tab, like currently. But in Total Commander for the same case we have :
"Close this tab".
——————————
- Close the others —> Closes all other tabs, except the browser if present.
- Close all file-tabs —> Closes the active tab and all other file-tabs (no matter the file-type)
- Close ALL —> Closes all tabs really, including the tab of the browser.

- Just my 0.02 €…

:mrgreen: KR
Claude
Clo

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:45 pm
by Dreamer
100% correct and clear:

- Close
- Close all view tabs
- Close all view tabs except the current


or: "viewer" instead of "view"

Or...

- Close
- Close all except browser
- Close all except browser and the current


(and - Close all, but I think it's not necessary)

My main reason is not that it must be corrent, but clear to all users.
I think, term "other(s)" might be confusing.

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:15 pm
by helmut
I still disagree.

Why is "Close other" hard to understand? "Close all except ..." sounds like "Do this, but do not that". That's confusing.

Right English---

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:04 pm
by Clo
• Hi !
helmut wrote:I still disagree.
Why is "Close other" hard to understand? "Close all except ..." sounds like "Do this, but do not that". That's confusing.
- Sorry, but "Close other" means nothing for me. Other what ?
Another (tab) ? Which one ? Others ? Wich others ?
- This is coal juice for the most “lambda” users…

- Like I said, I don't care that personally, and it is easier to get a better wording in other languages, I guess.
- But that you propose is not satisfactory from my point of view…

:mrgreen: G.
Claude
Clo

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:06 am
by JohnFredC
What about "Close all" as a sub-menu?

Code: Select all

Close
--------------------------
Hide from close all
Close all...
   Close all
   Close all - keep current
   Close all - keep browser
   Close all - show list

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:06 pm
by Dreamer
JohnFredC wrote:What about "Close all" as a sub-menu?

Code: Select all

Close
--------------------------
Hide from close all
Close all...
   Close all
   Close all - keep current
   Close all - keep browser
   Close all - show list
No! No submenus!

Re: My 0.02€

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:16 pm
by Dreamer
Moved back to "New...", since I don't like "other / All", we need more opinions...

BTW - I'm not the only one with this opinion...
FlorianH wrote:I think the idea of Dreamer is good: ...
Clo wrote:- The room is not a problem for a menu, and anyway the strings will be longer in the most other languages…
This is not so clear, Clo please tell us what do you prefer. :)

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:21 pm
by Dreamer
Minor - some menus should be greyed out, when there is just one tab opened... I think.

In my post

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:24 pm
by Clo
:) Hello !
- That I think is clearer and better English; it's on my post in the original thread HERE.

:mrgreen: KR
Claude
Clo

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:44 pm
by JohnFredC
C'mon Dreamer...

My proposal was also about the wording!

What about:

Close
------------------------------
Close all
Close all - keep current
Close all - keep browser
Close all - show list
-------------------------------
Hide from close all



???

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:57 pm
by helmut
I've just looked in Eclipse, the well-known and excellent programming environment. There it says:

Close
Close Others
Close All

This might be better and correct English (as mentioned by Clo).

All your suggestions are good, but I think that things are clear enough.

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:59 pm
by helmut
JohnFredC wrote: Close
------------------------------
Close all
Close all - keep current
Close all - keep browser
Close all - show list
-------------------------------
Hide from close all
Good to have a native speaker around. In your suggestions "Close all - keep current and browser" might be missing.

What are the menu items "Close all - show list" and "Hide from close all" are good for?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:37 am
by Dreamer
helmut wrote:I've just looked in Eclipse, the well-known and excellent programming environment. There it says:

Close
Close Others
Close All

This might be better and correct English (as mentioned by Clo).

All your suggestions are good, but I think that things are clear enough.
No! The problem is BROWSER. When there are just browser and 1 view tab opened and user choose "close all", just 1 tab will be closed, that's incorrect and therefore might be confusing.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:17 am
by JohnFredC
Close all - Show list

"Show list" is a sort of hidden feature request I attempted to foist on the thread... a dialog would popup listing all windows and allow the user to select the ones to close. A bell & whistle only.

Hide from close all

A toggle to "lock" the tab from which this option was selected. For instance, one could select "Hide from close all" from the browser's tab... then, any subsequent "Close all" would ignore the browser tab. It would work equally well to prevent specific views from closing.

Perhaps if a tab was "Hide from close all", a symbol such as an asterisk could also appear in the tab caption.

The special case just mentioned by Dreamer (involving the browser and a single view) could be handled by "Hide from close all". I personally would almost never close the browser and would like to permanently "pin" it... "Hide from close all" performs that function.

I thought at first that "Lock this tab" would be more intuitive, except: what would "lock" mean?


By the way, these are not my ideas, but rather common options in the tabbed browsers I use: NetCaptor, Maxthon, etc. I have found them intuitive and useful.

I just included the "Keep browser" option because it made sense in XNView's interface.

This tab behavior stuff is not so easy, is it?