About “Show (the) grid”…

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About “Show (the) grid”…

Post by Clo » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:26 am

:arrow: Pierre

:D Hello Pierre !

• Currently, we can show a grid from the «View» menu.
- Unfortunately, that grid has a fixed step, and this has inconveniences, making the grid quite useless the most times for me :

——1. Image––2. Image––3. Image–– 4. Image

1. This picture is a part of a 384*305 JPG, blown up by 200% in XnView. When displayed as scale 1/1, the cells of the grid are square or close… When blown up, they don't keep the ratio, and become rectangular. :|

2. A small icon 21*21 blown up by 400% in MS-Paint, with the grid. The step is always 1*1 pixel, it's so helpful, although the maximal zoom in MS-Paint is insufficient (800%).

3. The same icon in XnView blown up by 300%, with the grid. The large step doesn't allow to identify easily coordinates on a so small picture, and the same, even worse, for large pictures. I need often to note coordinates very precisely to set maps (client-side images), and the grid is useless in that case, while it should be helpful with an adjustable step (1*1 up to n…)

4. This is a part of the same small icon (the BMP source), blown up by 1,600% in Corel 3.0 { Yeeess! I use this antiquated program still :D } Here, the 1*1 grid is made by the pixels themselves, shown as small “buttons”; when the mouse cursor hovers a pixel, it changes as "pressed", it's very convenient…

8) In brief…

• I would like a grid which :
a - Keeps its shape in the right ratio when blown up,
b - Has an option to set a step-size,
c - Has too an option to be kept at displaying for the next / previous picture…
d - Is able to show a 1*1-step grid while the picture is blown up by the maximum (1,600%)

• I guess this could be useful too whether you add some painting retouch features in a future version, like you promised Image

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Re: About “Show (the) grid”…

Post by xnview » Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:26 pm

Clo wrote::arrow: Pierre

:D Hello Pierre !

• Currently, we can show a grid from the «View» menu.
- Unfortunately, that grid has a fixed step, and this has inconveniences, making the grid quite useless the most times for me :

——1. Image––2. Image––3. Image–– 4. Image

1. This picture is a part of a 384*305 JPG, blown up by 200% in XnView. When displayed as scale 1/1, the cells of the grid are square or close… When blown up, they don't keep the ratio, and become rectangular. :|

2. A small icon 21*21 blown up by 400% in MS-Paint, with the grid. The step is always 1*1 pixel, it's so helpful, although the maximal zoom in MS-Paint is insufficient (800%).

3. The same icon in XnView blown up by 300%, with the grid. The large step doesn't allow to identify easily coordinates on a so small picture, and the same, even worse, for large pictures. I need often to note coordinates very precisely to set maps (client-side images), and the grid is useless in that case, while it should be helpful with an adjustable step (1*1 up to n…)

4. This is a part of the same small icon (the BMP source), blown up by 1,600% in Corel 3.0 { Yeeess! I use this antiquated program still :D } Here, the 1*1 grid is made by the pixels themselves, shown as small “buttons”; when the mouse cursor hovers a pixel, it changes as "pressed", it's very convenient…

8) In brief…

• I would like a grid which :
- Keeps its shape in the right ratio when blown up,
- Has an option to set a step-size,
- Has too an option to be kept at displaying for the next / previous picture…
- Is able to show a 1*1-step grid while the picture is blown up by the maximum (1,600%)

• I guess this could be useful too whether you add some painting retouch features in a future version, like you promised Image

:mrgreen: Kind regards,
Claude
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Ok, for my todo list :-)
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Long list---

Post by Clo » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:40 pm

:) Hi Pierre !

- Thank you !

:P Ho ! I see the bottom of that list : it falls in my garden, how long it's !

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Post by ouistiti » Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:05 pm

Hello !

Indeed, I support these Clo's wishes globally…
…- Keeps its shape in the right ratio when blown up, …
- I saw that rather as a :bug: Besides, except for some professional users -perhaps-, the X - Y marking is useless, and clutters up the view …
…- Is able to show a 1*1-step grid while the picture is blown up by the maximum (1,600%)
Maybe the most useful and the most “urgent” in a first step, though all other requests sound good.
I would add an option to set the colour of the grid, either to choose by the user, or automatic following the dominant colour of the picture.
On the #1 Clo's picture above, I noticed that the red grid was not very «comfortable» to see, because the dominant colour is reather red / dark red…

To Pierre :
Anyway, thank you to add this request to the long ToDo list ! That'll make XnView better and better!

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Post by Lesmo16 » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:18 am

ouistiti wrote:Besides, except for some professional users -perhaps-, the X - Y marking is useless, and clutters up the view …
IMO it isn't useless although I'm not that professional, but it could be improved:

- only letters as column labels
- only numbers as row labels
- grid and labels translucent

and a bit more pro, but not that important (again IMHO :wink: ):

- labels also shown if zoomed
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Much later---

Post by Clo » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:18 pm

Five months later…Image

:) Hello All !

- Today, we have the new version 1.8.2. A new member has posted about the grid HERE. This incited me to give a glance again to that function, then to restart this thread…

- Now, with regard to the final wish-points in the start message here —> “In brief…:” :
• Point a is fixed up (shape).
• All others are not, it seems.

• Since now we have an INI entry GridType= { flag }, we could get a set of flags to set the other requested options…

Pierre, pleeaaaaseImage

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Post by ouistiti » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:32 pm

Please Pierre don't answer : Ok :) but I have already many features to add from my TODO / WISHES lists… :(

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Re: Much later---

Post by xnview » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:38 am

Clo wrote:Pierre, pleeaaaaseImage
But you have now, GridSpacing & GridType & KeepGridForNextPrevious
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Ho !

Post by Clo » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:12 am

—> Pierre !

:) Hello !
But you have now, GridSpacing & GridType & KeepGridForNextPrevious
- Ho ! Right ! I missed them, I didn't find in the "What's new?" ! Thanks !
- However, according to the messages of Member Maiger in the other thread linked above, there is a problem still about the marking off…

• We miss still an entry to change the colour, if possible… The hexa code “little endian” as : $BGR which works in other apps. could be supported ?

- In the practice, I just tested now :
GridSpacing= “value
@ scale 100%, “value” is the size of the cell-side in pixels.

@ scale 1600%, I get :
a) GridSpacing=8 —> 4 cells per pixel
b) GridSpacing=16 —> 1 cell per pixel, that is nice and does the trick for me.

- We'll add this in the Manual soon… hoping it could be completed with the colour ;)

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Post by ouistiti » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:40 pm

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Just another request… If there is no special technical reason to have the thickness of the mesh always as 2 pixels, may I suggere to create a new entry into the INI, for exemple : GridThickness= 1 ¦ 2 (pixel(s)

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Indeed, all !

Post by Clo » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:54 pm

—> ouistiti

:) Hello Paul !

- Indeed, this should be very nice ! I noticed that in fact, a thickness as 2 pixels is a bit too much when we have a zoom-out, 1:1 scale, or low zoom-in scales…
- Even @ 1600%, this thickness is really too large…

- Hence, I support that request !

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Square or not square?

Post by Clo » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:36 am

—> Pierre

:) Hello !

• Like I said above, GridSpacing=nn… works fine.
- But we can't get a rectangular mesh, if needed.
- I thought to simply use the same entry like for instance :
GridSpacing=32,16
Where 32 could be the width, and 16 the height …

:( Unfortunately, this is not supported actually… Is it possible later ?

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Post by ouistiti » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:49 pm

Hello Clo,

I fully support your suggestion for GridSpacing=x,Y... it should resolve my problem of cut-off from a picture too. :)

By the way, the hexa code for colors “little endian” as : $BGR should also be a big step for easyness. :D

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Post by xnview » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:17 am

ouistiti wrote:Hello Clo,

I fully support your suggestion for GridSpacing=x,Y... it should resolve my problem of cut-off from a picture too. :)

By the way, the hexa code for colors “little endian” as : $BGR should also be a big step for easyness. :D

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Ok, i'll add GridSpacingX & GridSpacingY
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Post by ouistiti » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:24 am

Ok, i'll add GridSpacingX & GridSpacingY
Thanks xnview :D
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