Hi,
I just got a new computer with Windows 7 Pro. As you're probably aware, it comes installed with the worst image viewer in the history of image viewers. All pics are pixilated to the point of being completely worthless. I have hundreds of thousands of pics from WinXP...and if this is my only option, they're all ruined.
So I tried Maxview first. Great in so many ways. Better than your product, actually, because of the lightning fast, customizable interface which allows you to to scroll and zoom all with your mouse. I love that. But it has one fatal flaw that cannot be ignored...image order. I set my image order manually and maxview disregards it. So despite it's great features, that one flaw makes it intolerable.
Next it was on to your product. Again, much better than Windows Photo Viewer. Images are smooth looking but, again, it ignores the image order I set manually. No matter what I do, it seems to only order images by name. Regardless of the sort order in windows...which shouldn't even be an issue but, it is.I read the faqs and all I see is computer jargon I cannot comprehend so please, dumb it down for me. If i want photo #1 to be followed by photo #10, how can I make that happen in your program? Is it even possible?
This may have already been addressed. If so, I apologize...but I have a migraine from the 2 hours of searching for solutions to this problem. To the point where I'm not just about to destroy this new computer with extreme hatred and prejudice, but I'm ready to burn my entire house down.
In other words, I'm very angry. In fact, anger isn't even a good enough word for it.
All in all, none of this is your faults. You guys make good 3rd party software and it's impossible to anticipate every glitch or concern of those who use your product. It's Microsoft fixing things that weren't broken. Windows Picture and Fax Viewer was just fine...and then they replace it with this hideous new image viewer, Windows Photo Viewer. I go to their forums and they don' get it.
I hate them. I hate them so very, very much.
But maybe you can help me. At least, I hope so. All the manual sorting I did I had to undo. It will take FOREVER to get it reorganized to my liking now. But at the very least...I might possibly find a solution from you fine, competent people. I hope. I pray. Because i'm about ready to "fix" the problem with a baseball bat.
Manual image order. How can I make your program sync with Widows, or is that just not possible?
Thank you in advance.
image order
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Re: image order
I think there are really two issues here: why Windows Photo Viewer is displaying pixelated images on your computer, and the general issue of the order in which image viewers display the images in a folder.
I didn't like Windows Photo Viewer either but looking at it now in a quick test it seems to display images normally on my Windows 7 computer. Are images pixelated even before you zoom in? In a side-by-side test with XnView Classic, I don't see any obvious difference even zoomed well in. Possibly an issue with the settings on your computer, although that doesn't explain why other viewers display images normally. Anyone any ideas?
With regard to the order in which image viewers display the images in a folder, Windows Photo Viewer and Windows XP's Windows Picture and Fax Viewer -- I liked it too -- are integral components of Windows rather than separate applications, and so possibly have an advantage in being able to utilise the current file sort order set by the user in Windows.
I didn't like Windows Photo Viewer either but looking at it now in a quick test it seems to display images normally on my Windows 7 computer. Are images pixelated even before you zoom in? In a side-by-side test with XnView Classic, I don't see any obvious difference even zoomed well in. Possibly an issue with the settings on your computer, although that doesn't explain why other viewers display images normally. Anyone any ideas?
With regard to the order in which image viewers display the images in a folder, Windows Photo Viewer and Windows XP's Windows Picture and Fax Viewer -- I liked it too -- are integral components of Windows rather than separate applications, and so possibly have an advantage in being able to utilise the current file sort order set by the user in Windows.
Re: image order
Yes, they're pixilated before zomming...but another oddity with the program is that when I use the slideshow option, it's not as bad. Some images show up smaller than I'd like, I wish there were an option to fix whatever reason that happens but typical windows, there are no options or preferences. Still, all the sudden Windows Photo Viewer all the sudden makes the images much smoother when in slide show mode. Seems like a fix, right? Well, no, because then the navigation is limited the. Two left clicks moves to the next image but I have to right click and select "back" if I want to review it again. I know this sounds like I'm nitpicking, and maybe I am...but I never had these issues with the now outdated WinXP which totally infuriates me. How can you "upgrade" a product but make certain specific programs less effective or useful at the same time.
The OS is good. I like Win7 Pro. (64 bit) But one of the things I do most on the computer is look at photos. More than I edit documents, watch movies or whatever. That's my number one favorite activity on the computer. It's the one thing I can't live without and Murphy's law...of course it doesn't work.
Now I found a fix for your program from yet another piece of 3rd party software...I mean, it's getting ridiculous. How many programs am I going to have to download? Again, I don't blame you, I blame Windows. Anyway, it's called "Easy Image Modifier." It can resize multiple images which REALLY comes in handy. I wish there were a smoothing option but there's not. But one other feature is that I can rename multiple files, as well. Making your program view them in the order of my choosing. But like I said...I have a lot of pictures and by the time I get done fixing this problem, it'll be time to upgrade again. I estimate that by the time I get everything in order, it'll be probably be the year 2059. And I plan on dying WAY before that.
In all seriousness it will be a lot of work that will take a very, very long time. Now yes, some of these images are small and a certain amount of pixilation is to be expected. I get that. But not at the level Windows Photo pixilates it. All it needs is an image smoother and it would be fine. I go to the Win& forums and they're response it "Tough. Deal with it." I'm a paying customer and I'm not the only one with this complaint! Why are they such...I won't curse. But you get it. It makes me mad.
The other program. So perfect in every way. No offense to your product, I went to their forum and everything's in Russian. So I do believe there will be some communication issues. I'm a Latin alphabet kinda guy.
I'm not as patient or healthy as I used to be. When I made that thread, I was so angry and tense I could feel my heart trying to escape my chest. I could download a million more image viewers but I have a feeling they're all going to suck in heir own way. So far, from what I've seen with both your program and maxview, I'm very impressed. But the image order issue is a deal breaker and takes good products and makes them useless if image order is that important to the user.
This pixilation issue only happens when I double click an image automatically opened by Win Photo Viewer. Otherwise, every other program smooths the images. I'm not looking for top quality here, either, I just don't want to see massive blocks.
Another "solution" is, of course, XP Mode. But it runs so SO slow. And it has so many limitations. I got Win7 for the Xp mode because that's the OS I'm most familiar with...but they even managed to slow IT down and basically ruin that, too. And you can't install programs in Xp Mode or at least I haven't been able to. For all I know XP Mode working with your product or maxview would work like a charm.
I still have my XP disk and I'm thinking of installing a partition. But Win7 is already giving me some very concerning freezes where literally nothing works for up to a minute, not even the mouse.
I'm sorry, I have a habit of going on and on and that presents a problem in itself because i usually only get half of my questions answered because of it. Who can or even wants to keep up with a blabber mouth like me? I fear this issue will never be resolved and all those images I gathered for well over a decade...they're all worthless now with few exceptions. But most of my pics are screenshots, not high quality photos. But still, the issue is that every other image viewer handles them just fine, and even Win photo Viewer in slideshow mode...but that simply won't cut it. It sounds selfish...but I want what I want. And it's only one tiny little thing. I'm not asking for a castle made of gold here...just a smoothing of the images I've taken or snapped over the years!
I'm sorry for the frustrated tone. But this is literally heartbreaking.
I thank you for the prompt reply and I hope we can get this resolved ASAP. Otherwise, my days are going to get a whole hell of a lot longer. And I'm already overworked and underpaid...I don't need this on top of it.
The OS is good. I like Win7 Pro. (64 bit) But one of the things I do most on the computer is look at photos. More than I edit documents, watch movies or whatever. That's my number one favorite activity on the computer. It's the one thing I can't live without and Murphy's law...of course it doesn't work.
Now I found a fix for your program from yet another piece of 3rd party software...I mean, it's getting ridiculous. How many programs am I going to have to download? Again, I don't blame you, I blame Windows. Anyway, it's called "Easy Image Modifier." It can resize multiple images which REALLY comes in handy. I wish there were a smoothing option but there's not. But one other feature is that I can rename multiple files, as well. Making your program view them in the order of my choosing. But like I said...I have a lot of pictures and by the time I get done fixing this problem, it'll be time to upgrade again. I estimate that by the time I get everything in order, it'll be probably be the year 2059. And I plan on dying WAY before that.
In all seriousness it will be a lot of work that will take a very, very long time. Now yes, some of these images are small and a certain amount of pixilation is to be expected. I get that. But not at the level Windows Photo pixilates it. All it needs is an image smoother and it would be fine. I go to the Win& forums and they're response it "Tough. Deal with it." I'm a paying customer and I'm not the only one with this complaint! Why are they such...I won't curse. But you get it. It makes me mad.
The other program. So perfect in every way. No offense to your product, I went to their forum and everything's in Russian. So I do believe there will be some communication issues. I'm a Latin alphabet kinda guy.
I'm not as patient or healthy as I used to be. When I made that thread, I was so angry and tense I could feel my heart trying to escape my chest. I could download a million more image viewers but I have a feeling they're all going to suck in heir own way. So far, from what I've seen with both your program and maxview, I'm very impressed. But the image order issue is a deal breaker and takes good products and makes them useless if image order is that important to the user.
This pixilation issue only happens when I double click an image automatically opened by Win Photo Viewer. Otherwise, every other program smooths the images. I'm not looking for top quality here, either, I just don't want to see massive blocks.
Another "solution" is, of course, XP Mode. But it runs so SO slow. And it has so many limitations. I got Win7 for the Xp mode because that's the OS I'm most familiar with...but they even managed to slow IT down and basically ruin that, too. And you can't install programs in Xp Mode or at least I haven't been able to. For all I know XP Mode working with your product or maxview would work like a charm.
I still have my XP disk and I'm thinking of installing a partition. But Win7 is already giving me some very concerning freezes where literally nothing works for up to a minute, not even the mouse.
I'm sorry, I have a habit of going on and on and that presents a problem in itself because i usually only get half of my questions answered because of it. Who can or even wants to keep up with a blabber mouth like me? I fear this issue will never be resolved and all those images I gathered for well over a decade...they're all worthless now with few exceptions. But most of my pics are screenshots, not high quality photos. But still, the issue is that every other image viewer handles them just fine, and even Win photo Viewer in slideshow mode...but that simply won't cut it. It sounds selfish...but I want what I want. And it's only one tiny little thing. I'm not asking for a castle made of gold here...just a smoothing of the images I've taken or snapped over the years!
I'm sorry for the frustrated tone. But this is literally heartbreaking.
I thank you for the prompt reply and I hope we can get this resolved ASAP. Otherwise, my days are going to get a whole hell of a lot longer. And I'm already overworked and underpaid...I don't need this on top of it.
Re: image order
Reading your long post fairly quickly I think you still have two issues: the visible pixelation of smaller images in some WPV modes and the image display order issue.
With regard to the pixelation of smaller images in some WPV modes, you mention that you have used another program to increase the pixel dimensions of those images but that there was no smoothing option. Some good news: XnView provides a resize option and there is a choice of smoothing methods available, so you might look at that.
With regard to the image display order issue, in a quick test I did earlier WPV did seem to display images with non-sequential file names in their order in the folder, whereas image viewers displayed those images in numerical order, as you said. I'm wondering if that difference might possibly be related to another annoyance in Windows 7: the facility to rearrange files in a folder at will has been removed and in effect the previous Auto Arrange option is now permanently selected. I did say that WPV is an integral part of Windows, so plausibly it might be able to access the current order of files in a folder when that information might not available to other applications. Just a semi-informed guess, though.
Edit: From memory I think that in Windows 7 files can possibly be rearranged in a folder, but the selected arrangement is lost when the folder is closed and then reopened. Or can they even be rearranged temporarily?
The Auto Arrange default can be restored to an option using third-part utilities, and my computer has been configured that way for a long time, so I can't easily test the default operation of Windows 7 as you are using it. It might be helpful if you could clarify the sort of file names and file order sequences you are using, and the exact behaviour you are experiencing versus the previous behaviour under Windows XP.
You might note that all XnView software is the work of one developer, Pierre. And yes, long posts are harder to respond to...
With regard to the pixelation of smaller images in some WPV modes, you mention that you have used another program to increase the pixel dimensions of those images but that there was no smoothing option. Some good news: XnView provides a resize option and there is a choice of smoothing methods available, so you might look at that.
With regard to the image display order issue, in a quick test I did earlier WPV did seem to display images with non-sequential file names in their order in the folder, whereas image viewers displayed those images in numerical order, as you said. I'm wondering if that difference might possibly be related to another annoyance in Windows 7: the facility to rearrange files in a folder at will has been removed and in effect the previous Auto Arrange option is now permanently selected. I did say that WPV is an integral part of Windows, so plausibly it might be able to access the current order of files in a folder when that information might not available to other applications. Just a semi-informed guess, though.
Edit: From memory I think that in Windows 7 files can possibly be rearranged in a folder, but the selected arrangement is lost when the folder is closed and then reopened. Or can they even be rearranged temporarily?
The Auto Arrange default can be restored to an option using third-part utilities, and my computer has been configured that way for a long time, so I can't easily test the default operation of Windows 7 as you are using it. It might be helpful if you could clarify the sort of file names and file order sequences you are using, and the exact behaviour you are experiencing versus the previous behaviour under Windows XP.
You might note that all XnView software is the work of one developer, Pierre. And yes, long posts are harder to respond to...
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Re: image order
/Continued...
I think your situation is as follows:
1. On Windows XP you had a large number of images arranged in folders in the non-numeric sequence you desired, using the facility in XP to order images in folders;
2. When you open those folders in Windows 7, the images are always sorted in numeric sequence, so your order is lost;
3. When you restore the images in a folder to the sequence you want, WPV displays them in that order, as WPFV did in XP;
4. When you view the above folder that has images in your desired sequence in any other image viewer, the images are displayed in numeric sequence not your desired sequence;
5.The image sequence you have just set will be lost when you close the folder if you don't have the Auto Arrange fix I mentioned above installed.
If the above is an accurate statement of your situation, the problem seems to be entirely a Windows <--> Image viewer interface issue and I don't see any direct solution other than to renumber your images in numerical order, a daunting task as you say.
I looked at several renaming utilities to see if any of them opened a folder of images in the 'desired' sequence, which could greatly simplify renumbering in a numeric sequence that preserves your desired sequence, but all opened the images in numeric order like the image viewers. So the same interface issue seems to apply to software applications in general.
Could you possibly export the file sequence information presumably stored somewhere in Windows XP? I very much doubt it...
Another possible solution, which might possibly be slightly easier to implement would be to save each folder as a multi-page file, either TIFF or PDF, which could then be viewed. The possible advantage is that when the multi-page file is created the sequence of the files in the folder can be rearranged by dragging files to another position in the file list. But realistically, I doubt if that would be much easier.
Does that accurately reflect the situation?
Anyone have any other insights in case I've missed something basic?
I think your situation is as follows:
1. On Windows XP you had a large number of images arranged in folders in the non-numeric sequence you desired, using the facility in XP to order images in folders;
2. When you open those folders in Windows 7, the images are always sorted in numeric sequence, so your order is lost;
3. When you restore the images in a folder to the sequence you want, WPV displays them in that order, as WPFV did in XP;
4. When you view the above folder that has images in your desired sequence in any other image viewer, the images are displayed in numeric sequence not your desired sequence;
5.The image sequence you have just set will be lost when you close the folder if you don't have the Auto Arrange fix I mentioned above installed.
If the above is an accurate statement of your situation, the problem seems to be entirely a Windows <--> Image viewer interface issue and I don't see any direct solution other than to renumber your images in numerical order, a daunting task as you say.
I looked at several renaming utilities to see if any of them opened a folder of images in the 'desired' sequence, which could greatly simplify renumbering in a numeric sequence that preserves your desired sequence, but all opened the images in numeric order like the image viewers. So the same interface issue seems to apply to software applications in general.
Could you possibly export the file sequence information presumably stored somewhere in Windows XP? I very much doubt it...
Another possible solution, which might possibly be slightly easier to implement would be to save each folder as a multi-page file, either TIFF or PDF, which could then be viewed. The possible advantage is that when the multi-page file is created the sequence of the files in the folder can be rearranged by dragging files to another position in the file list. But realistically, I doubt if that would be much easier.
Does that accurately reflect the situation?
Anyone have any other insights in case I've missed something basic?
Re: image order
Welcome to the forum, jjmad. Please put down the torch and the baseball bat. We're here to help. 
There's another version of XnView called XnViewMP.
There's another version of XnView called XnViewMP.
- XnViewMP-win-x64.exe (setup)
- XnViewMP-win-x64.zip (no setup)
- View » Sort by » Custom
- Tools » Settings... » View » View » High zoom quality » Reduce & Enlarge
Re: image order
Oh I love you guys...so awesome. And I do apologize for the long posts. I simply can't do small talk and yes, people have criticized me for it numerous times but much like Popeye, I am what I am.
In in a show of appreciation for your help and patience I will try to keep it down to only the necessities. Thank you so much for the patience.
I'm also a little pressed for time as I post this...Friday night, you know. There are many unattractive women who will look attractive by midnight that require my attention, and I must get started now to make that happen. (Takes the first shot.)
I did want to reply to something specific in the post preceding XnTriq's. I do believe you're right about Win7 forgetting manual image order. Probably has something to do with auto arrange which seems to be a feature most loath. But me, being a pain in the neck, have to have it because when I'm manually arranging pictures the folder order seems to....I don't know how to put it, takes on a mind of it's own! In other words they don't neatly arrange. I move a pic and it will sit on top of another pic as opposed to automatically falling in place when auto arrange is on. Sometimes, it can kick thumbnails right off the page. And I don't like that so I choose the lesser of two evils, or so I think as an uneducated nitwit. But XP did this to me, too, if I didn't access a particular folder in some time for whatever reason. It was annoying, but rearranging one folder isn't as big a deal as rearranging...let's see...a thousand-plus folders with over 200,000 thousand files. Actually, more, I just haven't added them to that monster yet.
Anyway, keep this thread open. I will let you know how the new program worked out as well as all other advice given. Like I said, you have a great product here. I truly mean that. And if all goes my way or, at least, makes life alittle easier I will be your advocate for more people to choose your product over Faststone's Maxview. And any other image viewer out there. And that reminds me, once, when I was a boy...
Just kidding, I'm done. Once again, I thank you both and I'll be back. In touch. Not "back" like the Terminator or anything. I'm 5'6 and skinny. So rest easy. :p
In in a show of appreciation for your help and patience I will try to keep it down to only the necessities. Thank you so much for the patience.
I'm also a little pressed for time as I post this...Friday night, you know. There are many unattractive women who will look attractive by midnight that require my attention, and I must get started now to make that happen. (Takes the first shot.)
I did want to reply to something specific in the post preceding XnTriq's. I do believe you're right about Win7 forgetting manual image order. Probably has something to do with auto arrange which seems to be a feature most loath. But me, being a pain in the neck, have to have it because when I'm manually arranging pictures the folder order seems to....I don't know how to put it, takes on a mind of it's own! In other words they don't neatly arrange. I move a pic and it will sit on top of another pic as opposed to automatically falling in place when auto arrange is on. Sometimes, it can kick thumbnails right off the page. And I don't like that so I choose the lesser of two evils, or so I think as an uneducated nitwit. But XP did this to me, too, if I didn't access a particular folder in some time for whatever reason. It was annoying, but rearranging one folder isn't as big a deal as rearranging...let's see...a thousand-plus folders with over 200,000 thousand files. Actually, more, I just haven't added them to that monster yet.
Anyway, keep this thread open. I will let you know how the new program worked out as well as all other advice given. Like I said, you have a great product here. I truly mean that. And if all goes my way or, at least, makes life alittle easier I will be your advocate for more people to choose your product over Faststone's Maxview. And any other image viewer out there. And that reminds me, once, when I was a boy...
Just kidding, I'm done. Once again, I thank you both and I'll be back. In touch. Not "back" like the Terminator or anything. I'm 5'6 and skinny. So rest easy. :p
Re: image order
LOL! Who says temporarily “terminating” high-quality zoom can't be helpful at times…jjmad wrote:I'm also a little pressed for time as I post this...Friday night, you know. There are many unattractive women who will look attractive by midnight that require my attention, and I must get started now to make that happen. (Takes the first shot.)
Cheers!Re: image order
jjmad wrote:I'm also a little pressed for time as I post this...
Do you have View > Align to grid selected?jjmad wrote:... when I'm manually arranging pictures the folder order seems to....I don't know how to put it, takes on a mind of it's own! In other words they don't neatly arrange. I move a pic and it will sit on top of another pic as opposed to automatically falling in place when auto arrange is on.
If it is already selected, increasing the window size slightly to allow more white space around the icons can help prevent odd effects in Windows 7.
Re: image order
Oh my head. Sorry for the late reply, but the weekend war is over. Though I lost, I learned a valuable lesson about alcohol...it's always worth it. Though my liver disagrees.
Never chase vodka with Guinness, kids. Don't do it. I see some UK posters and you're probably laughing at our weak beer here in the states but still...don't do it. And yes, I know Guinness is Irish but I do believe it's subject to American alcohol law making much less enjoyable than it would be in either the UK or the old Emerald Isle.
OK, now for the update. First off, I said Maxview was better. And for lazy people like me who only want to use a mouse, it still does have features that are just unbeatable. However...after playing with your program I've discovered some pretty awesome features within it, as well. The on the spot editing is absolutely brilliant. and saves me from having to open MS Pic It! 7 and let that thing drag on and on. It's a real Johnny on the spot and it's now hard to decide which really is better. But the edge goes to you because it can view pics in order so long as they're properly named.
And the 64 version. I wanted to install it so bad to see the vast improvements, but also keep the 32 bit version because it too is a great program. Both versions may have their own attributes and flaws, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep it. Plus it's in another program files folder, the one for 32 bit programs. So I tried to install it but at the end it wanted to install MS Visual C++ 2008, which already is installed along with version 10 or that very same program. And the installation failed. Now I'm not sure if I should uninstall it and let the new version of the program reinstall it...not sure it it will blow up my computer or not because reinstalling Win7 Pro isn't an option. It didn't come with a disk. I do have my XP disk, still, but I want to give Win7 a chance. So I'm awaiting your advice on the matter...while I convalesce. Seriously, staring into this computer screen is like watching a nuclear bomb test without the special goggles. And i say that with actual experience as I have seen nuke tests...on TV. :p
There was something else, but it's escaped me. Amybe after a few hours of sleep I'll remember.
Thanks again, everyone. This is one of only two tech forums among the hundreds of others I visited that actually have a sense of humor. Everywhere else...robots. Talk to you all again soon.
Never chase vodka with Guinness, kids. Don't do it. I see some UK posters and you're probably laughing at our weak beer here in the states but still...don't do it. And yes, I know Guinness is Irish but I do believe it's subject to American alcohol law making much less enjoyable than it would be in either the UK or the old Emerald Isle.
I'll be damned. It doesn't sit on top after all, I wonder why that happened before. However, as you mentioned, it does push icons off the page OR it creates less columns and leaves a large section of the folder blank. But order is my main concern and auto arrange can always be reapplied and unchecked to correct the problem. So no big deal.Do you have View > Align to grid selected?
If it is already selected, increasing the window size slightly to allow more white space around the icons can help prevent odd effects in Windows 7.
OK, now for the update. First off, I said Maxview was better. And for lazy people like me who only want to use a mouse, it still does have features that are just unbeatable. However...after playing with your program I've discovered some pretty awesome features within it, as well. The on the spot editing is absolutely brilliant. and saves me from having to open MS Pic It! 7 and let that thing drag on and on. It's a real Johnny on the spot and it's now hard to decide which really is better. But the edge goes to you because it can view pics in order so long as they're properly named.
And the 64 version. I wanted to install it so bad to see the vast improvements, but also keep the 32 bit version because it too is a great program. Both versions may have their own attributes and flaws, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep it. Plus it's in another program files folder, the one for 32 bit programs. So I tried to install it but at the end it wanted to install MS Visual C++ 2008, which already is installed along with version 10 or that very same program. And the installation failed. Now I'm not sure if I should uninstall it and let the new version of the program reinstall it...not sure it it will blow up my computer or not because reinstalling Win7 Pro isn't an option. It didn't come with a disk. I do have my XP disk, still, but I want to give Win7 a chance. So I'm awaiting your advice on the matter...while I convalesce. Seriously, staring into this computer screen is like watching a nuclear bomb test without the special goggles. And i say that with actual experience as I have seen nuke tests...on TV. :p
There was something else, but it's escaped me. Amybe after a few hours of sleep I'll remember.
Thanks again, everyone. This is one of only two tech forums among the hundreds of others I visited that actually have a sense of humor. Everywhere else...robots. Talk to you all again soon.
Re: image order
The Auto Arrange issue in Windows 7 which could affect you is that Auto Arrange is enabled by default and the option that was present in Windows XP to unselect it has been removed. The following link explains the issue well:jjmad wrote:But order is my main concern and auto arrange can always be reapplied and unchecked to correct the problem.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/a ... ows-7.html
The article also mentions something else that could be very relevant to you if you decide to create new folders containing images placed in a custom order: a very quick way of renumbering multiple files in numeric order that has actually been present in Windows for some time. The XnViewMP facility to remember custom sort orders mentioned by XnTriq would obviate the need for that, but renumbering in numeric sequence would permanently lock your images in the desired sequence and make them portable to any image viewer.
The following link is to an alternative way of restoring the Auto Arrange functionality present in Windows XP that may be easier to apply:
http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/disab ... windows-7/
There has been a known issue with Visual C++ 2008 when installing XnViewMP which I believe has been fixed or will be in the next version. From memory it possibly related to installing the program on a drive other than the one on which Visual C++ 2008 is installed. I think allowing the requested installation is harmless enough and simply places some duplicate files on the second drive.jjmad wrote:And the 64 version. I wanted to install it so bad to see the vast improvements, but also keep the 32 bit version because it too is a great program. Both versions may have their own attributes and flaws, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep it. Plus it's in another program files folder, the one for 32 bit programs. So I tried to install it but at the end it wanted to install MS Visual C++ 2008, which already is installed along with version 10 or that very same program.
The Holy Grail for you would be to transfer you image collection with files arranged in your custom sort order from your Windows XP computer to your Windows 7 computer while preserving the existing sort order so that they could be viewed directly without modification.cday wrote:Could you possibly export the file sequence information presumably stored somewhere in Windows XP? I very much doubt it...
Thinking about it some more, I'm wondering if the Auto Arrange fix were applied to your computer, which I suspect would simply duplicate the XP configuration, whether it might actually be possible to copy a folder containing the relevant sort order information from your XP computer to your Windows 7 computer. Provided the images were installed on the same path as on the XP computer, of course.
I have no detailed knowledge of Windows, but given the potentially enormous gain for you if it could be done, I think it might possibly be worth asking the question on one (or more...) of the many Windows forums. But you would best spend some time first designing the question carefully to make it as clear and concise as possible, to maximise the chances of obtaining a useful response...
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We're always on the look-out for new regulars to help us meet our daily humo(u)r quota.jjmad wrote:This is one of only two tech forums among the hundreds of others I visited that actually have a sense of humor. Everywhere else...robots. Talk to you all again soon.
Even the 32-bit version of XnViewMP works completely independent of XnView “Classic”. Both programs don't interfere with each other, because they keep their config files in separate locations.jjmad wrote:And the 64 version. I wanted to install it so bad to see the vast improvements, but also keep the 32 bit version because it too is a great program. Both versions may have their own attributes and flaws, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep it. Plus it's in another program files folder, the one for 32 bit programs.
Thanks to WinSxS, you don't have to remove other versions. If you'd like to avoid installation of these DLLs anyway, you could download & extract the ZIP archive and then manually put a link to xnview.exe into your start menu. (That's how I go about updating MP.) Unlike XnViewMP-win-x64.exe, XnViewMP-win-x64.zip doesn't come with vcredist_x64.exe (Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package).jjmad wrote:So I tried to install it but at the end it wanted to install MS Visual C++ 2008, which already is installed along with version 10 or that very same program. And the installation failed. Now I'm not sure if I should uninstall it and let the new version of the program reinstall it...not sure it it will blow up my computer or not because reinstalling Win7 Pro isn't an option. It didn't come with a disk. I do have my XP disk, still, but I want to give Win7 a chance. So I'm awaiting your advice on the matter...while I convalesce.
BTW: The package distributed with XnViewMP is 100% identical with the one available for download from Microsoft (v9.0.21022.8).
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Hey guys, I figured I owed you an update. It's been a rough couple days, I've got a rotten bowel that likes to torture me every so often, only lately it's been more often than before. I actually had to have surgery earlier this year. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that I'm logging on and keeping up with your replies but sometimes it gets so bad even typing is too stressful on the venomous shake that are my intestines. But I'm recovering right now and will dedicate myself to fixing this problem not just for me...but for ALL MANKIND...who use Window's Products and/or XnView. So bear with me, I haven't abandoned you.
My grandfather was from Spain and he used to do the same thing to the Mexicans. Everyone loved him, but they did tend to laugh at him and tell him that if he ever took a trip back to Avila they'd probably be correcting him every 1.5 nanoseconds. So one day he did and he likened it to a person from Alabama trying to have a conversation with a person from London. He promptly got off of his high horse after that, lol.
We ugly Americans...what can we say. We're sorry! Beautifully spoken language, though, in England. I want an English girlfriend because i gotta thing for that accent. Unfortunately, our English immigrants are few and far between...in this neck of the desert, at least. So I'll have to stick with chasing American and Mexican girls around for the rest of my life. Not a bad thing at all, just no English accent. Can't always get what you want.
Be in touch soon. About to have my first real meal in a few days so...we'll get back on this.
HA HA people always ask which language I'd like to learn and i always say "English," lol. I'm from the Southwest, you don't even want to know how badly we've butchered your language down here. Down yonder...XnTriq: We're always on the look-out for new regulars to help us meet our daily humo(u)r quota
My grandfather was from Spain and he used to do the same thing to the Mexicans. Everyone loved him, but they did tend to laugh at him and tell him that if he ever took a trip back to Avila they'd probably be correcting him every 1.5 nanoseconds. So one day he did and he likened it to a person from Alabama trying to have a conversation with a person from London. He promptly got off of his high horse after that, lol.
We ugly Americans...what can we say. We're sorry! Beautifully spoken language, though, in England. I want an English girlfriend because i gotta thing for that accent. Unfortunately, our English immigrants are few and far between...in this neck of the desert, at least. So I'll have to stick with chasing American and Mexican girls around for the rest of my life. Not a bad thing at all, just no English accent. Can't always get what you want.
Be in touch soon. About to have my first real meal in a few days so...we'll get back on this.
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I'm in absolutely no position to “correct” a native speaker's use of English, and I'm well aware of that. You can trust me on that one.jjmad wrote:HA HA people always ask which language I'd like to learn and i always say "English," lol. I'm from the Southwest, you don't even want to know how badly we've butchered your language down here. Down yonder...XnTriq: We're always on the look-out for new regulars to help us meet our daily humo(u)r quota
Hope you'll feel better soon!
Thine humble moderator
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I feel so bad, you're all going out of your way to help me out, and this continues to be an issue that drives me crazy but you know what I've resorted to doing in the mean time? I just use Easy Image Modifier. It resizes, changes formats of large batch files etc. and, of course, changes names. And it does it in the very order you added them. But I'm thinking that even without resize, since these pictures were taken on a 32bit system and this is a 64 bit, and that's a 32 bit program...hell, my stomach hurts again. I wonder if it will degrade the picture. So what I'm doing is creating a lot of duplicates just in case. Which is a hard drive waster but what are you gonna do?
XnView is now set to my default because seriously, even with this one flaw you can't go back to WPV and it's ridiculous pixiliation. Maxviews a good alternative, but it's choppy as well. It seems to repeat images, jump from image # 123 to #456 and then to #543 and then a picture of Neptune will just show up out of nowhere and I'll be like "Oh yeah, I took that 8 years ago" and it will be in a completely unrelated folder. So XnView is the best bet. I'll definitely check for a 64bit version with the fix when it comes out.
I'm posting kind of half heartedly right now. I see that I have a lot of reading to do and then when I feel up to it, I'll fool around with it a little more. Aside from the suggestions above I'm having some ideas on how to maybe correct the graphics card or whatever to just unpixilate the images. Then if I want a sequence, maybe I can get WPV to view images in the order of my choosing and use XnView as the default of stuff that needs no order. It will be my anarchist program.
Anyway, get back to you soon. Or, I'll really try. A lot of this stuff in Win7 requires you to keep doing the turn on/turn off administrator thing to make most changes. It's laziness, I know. Regardless of my situation...anyway, I'm getting by without it for now. My frustration level has declined a bit. But I have faith we can get this fixed. I wish someone else had this problem so I could take a look at their thread and see some of the suggestions given or actions taken...but apparently I'm either the only this has happened to or I'm the only one who cares.
Oh. I've also got another thread up on a tech forum about some recurring administrative errors I've found in event viewer. They're a daily thing so I have to put up with that headache, as well.
BUT...I still love the computer. There's always a way, we'll figure it out,
XnView is now set to my default because seriously, even with this one flaw you can't go back to WPV and it's ridiculous pixiliation. Maxviews a good alternative, but it's choppy as well. It seems to repeat images, jump from image # 123 to #456 and then to #543 and then a picture of Neptune will just show up out of nowhere and I'll be like "Oh yeah, I took that 8 years ago" and it will be in a completely unrelated folder. So XnView is the best bet. I'll definitely check for a 64bit version with the fix when it comes out.
I'm posting kind of half heartedly right now. I see that I have a lot of reading to do and then when I feel up to it, I'll fool around with it a little more. Aside from the suggestions above I'm having some ideas on how to maybe correct the graphics card or whatever to just unpixilate the images. Then if I want a sequence, maybe I can get WPV to view images in the order of my choosing and use XnView as the default of stuff that needs no order. It will be my anarchist program.
Anyway, get back to you soon. Or, I'll really try. A lot of this stuff in Win7 requires you to keep doing the turn on/turn off administrator thing to make most changes. It's laziness, I know. Regardless of my situation...anyway, I'm getting by without it for now. My frustration level has declined a bit. But I have faith we can get this fixed. I wish someone else had this problem so I could take a look at their thread and see some of the suggestions given or actions taken...but apparently I'm either the only this has happened to or I'm the only one who cares.
Oh. I've also got another thread up on a tech forum about some recurring administrative errors I've found in event viewer. They're a daily thing so I have to put up with that headache, as well.
BUT...I still love the computer. There's always a way, we'll figure it out,