Browser - thumbnails - split top row icons

[user0]

XnViewMP 1.6.1 64bit
Windows11 (22H2), display resolution 3840x2160, win scaling 150%

Browser - thumbnails
left side of the top row looks overcrowded with icons, its better to split them

Suggestion
split top row icons
- move rating, color_label and has_categories to the right side
- not sure if has_catergories shall be the most right icon

overlay_icons_top_split.png

[xnview]

any thoughts?

[cicciobello]

Left: tag
Right: rating, color label and categories
I use the rating much more often, and I would like to have the "right-group" on the left, but that's fine too.

Again, I'd like to have them a little bigger (configurable).
Also pay attention to the full screen view, which must be the same. In this case I would like to have them very visible (configurable), with the possibility of having them on a background, as for the "info".

[m.Th.]

NO.

All together!

It is an important design law:
https://www.interaction-design.org/lite ... /fitts-law

[user0]

NO.

All together!

It is an important design law:
https://www.interaction-design.org/lite ... /fitts-law

you can apply this "very important" law to Rating + Color label only,
Tag and Has_categories can be easily unlinked from these two controls as their usecase, importance, storage_location are different

eg Lightroom do it right:

• Flag - top left

• Rating/Color labels - close togehter, but in different place

[cicciobello]

NO.

All together!

It is an important design law:
https://www.interaction-design.org/lite ... /fitts-law

Is there anyone who uses the mouse to make a tag or to assign a rating to an image? I can't think about it. With hotkeys it's much, much faster than moving around the screen with the pointer.
Maybe I'm old school, but seeing certain computer users use computers _today_ makes me feel nauseous. It seems that the keyboard does not exist. Instead of ^C and ^V they have to open the menu twice, scroll through the items and click. Hundreds of times a day. Am I old?

[m.Th.]

NO.

All together!

It is an important design law:
https://www.interaction-design.org/lite ... /fitts-law

you can apply this "very important" law to Rating + Color label only,
Tag and Has_categories can be easily unlinked from these two controls as their usecase, importance, storage_location are different

eg Lightroom do it right:

• Flag - top left

• Rating/Color labels - close togehter, but in different place

Lightroom never was an example of design - neither for UX, nor for speed. It is an old story - it is a product brought from Pixmantec and besides that, Adobe never was an example of GUI streamlining. Photoshop was/is notoriously bad at learning curve, being against both MacOSX and Windows UI guidelines.

[user0]

Lightroom never was an example of design - neither for UX, nor for speed.

Lightroom thumbnails' design is one of the best on the market, but you are welcome to show your favourite one.
If you need speed - you use shortcuts, period.

It is an old story - it is a product brought from Pixmantec and besides that, Adobe never was an example of GUI streamlining. Photoshop was/is notoriously bad at learning curve, being against both MacOSX and Windows UI guidelines.

I do not care about ancient times, I'm talking about current state.
Breaking what UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?


Anyway, another option would be
Settings - thumbnail - overlay icon - add custom positioning

[m.Th.]

Lightroom thumbnails' design is one of the best on the market, but you are welcome to show your favourite one.
If you need speed - you use shortcuts, period.

Source??? Says who?

Compared to what?

I provided you with a link to a very well-known design law which proves that Lr has a flawed thumbnail design.

Besides that, you have a logic flaw when you say „use the shortcuts to fix my UI design mistake”. We discuss here how to design the „best” thumbnail not to impose our personal agenda.

I do not care about ancient times, I'm talking about current state.
Breaking what UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?

It seems to me that you do not know much about UX design science.

You should care and you should learn something before talking.

Here is a starter for you:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windo ... guidelines

https://developer.apple.com/design/huma ... uidelines/

[m.Th.]

I just leave THIS TWO-DAY OLD ARTICLE here....

https://petapixel.com/2023/11/17/adobe- ... any-users/



As I said, Lightroom is notorious for its problems.

As an aside, I think that it's best to not spend Pierre's development time with secondary issues.

He needs to add more functionality to XnView MP, not to play around with this.

Hint: To really fix the thumbnail appearance, he needs to put all the stars on the center (like in Darktable) (re-read the Fitt's law) and not spread the controls all over the place.

Lightroom never was an example of design - neither for UX, nor for speed.

Lightroom thumbnails' design is one of the best on the market, but you are welcome to show your favourite one.
If you need speed - you use shortcuts, period.

It is an old story - it is a product brought from Pixmantec and besides that, Adobe never was an example of GUI streamlining. Photoshop was/is notoriously bad at learning curve, being against both MacOSX and Windows UI guidelines.

I do not care about ancient times, I'm talking about current state.
Breaking what UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?


Anyway, another option would be
Settings - thumbnail - overlay icon - add custom positioning

[user0]

I do not care about ancient times, I'm talking about current state.
Breaking what UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?

It seems to me that you do not know much about UX design science.

You should care and you should learn something before talking.

Here is a starter for you:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windo ... guidelines

https://developer.apple.com/design/huma ... uidelines/

links to root level of OS guidelines means nothing
again, breaking what EXACT UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?
I mean, it's OK to have big mouth as long as you can prove your points, you have troubles with second part so far.

I just leave THIS TWO-DAY OLD ARTICLE here....

https://petapixel.com/2023/11/17/adobe- ... any-users/



As I said, Lightroom is notorious for its problems.

so what? every software has bugs, mentioned bug is not relevant to current topic at all

As an aside, I think that it's best to not spend Pierre's development time with secondary issues.

He needs to add more functionality to XnView MP, not to play around with this.

I think Pierre can manage his priorities himself.

Hint: To really fix the thumbnail appearance, he needs to put all the stars on the center (like in Darktable) (re-read the Fitt's law) and not spread the controls all over the place.

Ah, FINALLY.. next time, skip all your chatter and go straight to the topic to save everyone time.

It looks like you re-read Fitt's law recently, so lets "put all the stars on the center (like in Darktable)":

overlay_icons_darktable.png

What next, where to put tag, color_label and has_category icons?
Share your design skills, lol


ps. you remind me one annoying user who liked useless arguing, but was not able to prove any of his points.
What a coincidence that you became active once he has been banned...

pps. you have more than 1.5k messages and still overquoting and double-posting.. sad

[m.Th.]

links to root level of OS guidelines means nothing
again, breaking what EXACT UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?
I mean, it's OK to have big mouth as long as you can prove your points, you have troubles with second part so far.

You are angry and gave an emotional, not rational response.

Our topic is about thumbnails. I provided a link about (classical) design law. You did NOT provide anything to sustain your point. So, the one which has „big mouth” (to quote you) is you - not me. Waiting for scientific links proving that Lr's UX design is the best one. Also waiting for links from OS design guidelines proving that Lr follows Windows/MacOSX design conventions.

You must provide your point because you are proposing something.

WRT Photoshop - it is enough to compare Photoshop UI with PowerPoint (also a graphics program).

Microsoft recommends tabbed/ribbon interface for the toolbars. Where is it in Photoshop?

There are glaring and striking differences. There are too many to mention them and here isn't the place (just mentioning Tools | Options which in Photoshop is Edit | Preferences). If you would have just a little experience (or rationality?) then you would find these.

Ah, FINALLY.. next time, skip all your chatter and go straight to the topic to save everyone time.

This is a moot topic. Thumbs design here needs a complete overhaul - from a drop-down approach to an on-screen presentation. Not worth it IMHO because it hinders the UX for our actual user base and it doesn't provide any advantage to anyone. It will draw away the actual users while it will not attract new users. XnView MP is aready much better than Lr in the areas in which XnView MP is strong. It cannot compete with Lr in the areas where XnView MP doesn't have a proper engine (ie. Raw editing).

ps. you remind me one annoying user who liked useless arguing, but was not able to prove any of his points.
What a coincidence that you became active once he has been banned...

Do not trust your thoughts. They are wrong.

PS: Waiting for you to provide your points! Don't forget the links to the exact guidelines!

[user0]

Ah, FINALLY.. next time, skip all your chatter and go straight to the topic to save everyone time.

This is a moot topic. Thumbs design here needs a complete overhaul - from a drop-down approach to an on-screen presentation. Not worth it IMHO because it hinders the UX for our actual user base and it doesn't provide any advantage to anyone. It will draw away the actual users while it will not attract new users. XnView MP is aready much better than Lr in the areas in which XnView MP is strong. It cannot compete with Lr in the areas where XnView MP doesn't have a proper engine (ie. Raw editing).

Your proposal does not oblige anyone to implement it.
I asked you to provide your "best thumbnail icons config" for XnViewMP, as you position yourself as UI expert.
At least you read some "classical design law", lol.
But, as expected, you can only bla-bla.. moot topic that is not worth.. so convenient.

links to root level of OS guidelines means nothing
again, breaking what EXACT UI guidelines makes Photoshop's learning curve steep?
I mean, it's OK to have big mouth as long as you can prove your points, you have troubles with second part so far.

WRT Photoshop - it is enough to compare Photoshop UI with PowerPoint (also a graphics program).

Microsoft recommends tabbed/ribbon interface for the toolbars. Where is it in Photoshop?

There are glaring and striking differences. There are too many to mention them and here isn't the place (just mentioning Tools | Options which in Photoshop is Edit | Preferences). If you would have just a little experience (or rationality?) then you would find these.

If only you had any experience, you would know that ribbon ui is patented and MS sued Corel for using it for free being a competing app.
The rest of your nonsense is not worth commenting on.

Our topic is about thumbnails. I provided a link about (classical) design law.

Exactly. And I already told that you do not understand how to use this law.

you can apply this "very important" law to Rating + Color label only,
Tag and Has_categories can be easily unlinked from these two controls as their usecase, importance, storage_location are different