Thinner separators, and double-click

Ask for help and post your question on how to use XnView Classic.

Moderators: XnTriq, xnview

Danny
Posts: 557
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:09 pm

Post by Danny » Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:09 pm

To throw in my 2 cents: i think double-clicking on an EVEN THINNER seperator would be hard to do. I think it's ok as it is - i don't care about 2 pixels more or less.

One minor thing though: the resize icon with 2 lines ( <-||-> ) is normally being used if there's a completely collapsed (invisible) coulmn between 2 visible coloumns. So the icon with just one line would be more appropriate: <-|->
Get the bugs fixed, THEN start adding features. It sucks, but someone has to do it.

nightflyer
Posts: 98
Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:41 am

Post by nightflyer » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:31 am

I think the new, thinner separator is as functional as old one, while freeing a bit of space and adding lightness to XnView appearance.

I would like to note, that it looks to me like size of active area of separators are the same, so arguments about not-so-easy grabbing of separator are invalid and come out of user auto-suggestion. Also XnView does not care for accessibility features so I don't see any reason it should care here.
-=nightflyer=-

User avatar
xnview
Author of XnView
Posts: 29119
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:31 am
Location: France
Contact:

Post by xnview » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:44 am

Olivier_G wrote:-> Pierre, is it possible to include that outline into the active area?
That would make the active area 8 pixels large (compared to 5).
No, it's not possible
Pierre.

User avatar
Olivier_G
XnThusiast
Posts: 1423
Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:17 pm
Location: Paris, France
Contact:

Post by Olivier_G » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:52 pm

xnview wrote:
Olivier_G wrote:-> Pierre, is it possible to include that outline into the active area?
No, it's not possible
Thank you for the answer, Pierre.

So what about this suggestion:

Image

- Active button has been enlarged to 8 pixels in width and 39 in height (vs: 6x31 for previous ones).
- 3D outline (ie: inactive area) is only 1 pixel large.
-> It is slightly smaller than the previous large separator while offering 60% more width for useful/active area. I think it is a good compromise of the various opinions expressed previously.

Olivier
PS: For comparison, here are current implementation (left) and previous suggestion (right):
Image

User avatar
ckit
XnThusiast
Posts: 2432
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:11 am
Location: Cabarlah Australia
Contact:

Post by ckit » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:18 am

I like Olivier_G's suggestion and support it.
Win10 Pro x64 RS3, Malwarebytes Premium, Process Lasso Pro
XnViewMP and PhotoFiltre Studio X

Danny
Posts: 557
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:09 pm

Post by Danny » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:12 pm

ckit wrote:I like Olivier_G's suggestion and support it.
Me 2.
Get the bugs fixed, THEN start adding features. It sucks, but someone has to do it.

Danny
Posts: 557
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:09 pm

Post by Danny » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:31 pm

That border around the folder tree pane and stuff in ß5 looks damn ugly. And it's a waste of space as well. I say: be gone.
Get the bugs fixed, THEN start adding features. It sucks, but someone has to do it.

User avatar
Olivier_G
XnThusiast
Posts: 1423
Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:17 pm
Location: Paris, France
Contact:

Post by Olivier_G » Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:12 pm

As far as I understand the issue:
- The 3D effect is handled by the GUI manager and Pierre has little control over it: you'll get a 3-4 pixel inactive outline anyway. The only thing you can do is choose the type of outline -> it might be somewhat improved here.
- It might be possible to skip completely that 3D effect and include it in the design of the separators (+whole separator would be active). The issue is that it requires more testing and design work and can't be implemented for 1.90.

Summary: Pierre might come with a slightly better looking solution for 1.90 (with the same active size, etc...). And that's all we should hope for now...

Pierre, is this accurate?
Olivier

User avatar
xnview
Author of XnView
Posts: 29119
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:31 am
Location: France
Contact:

Post by xnview » Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:17 pm

Olivier_G wrote:As far as I understand the issue:
- The 3D effect is handled by the GUI manager and Pierre has little control over it: you'll get a 3-4 pixel inactive outline anyway. The only thing you can do is choose the type of outline -> it might be somewhat improved here.
- It might be possible to skip completely that 3D effect and include it in the design of the separators (+whole separator would be active). The issue is that it requires more testing and design work and can't be implemented for 1.90.

Summary: Pierre might come with a slightly better looking solution for 1.90 (with the same active size, etc...). And that's all we should hope for now...

Pierre, is this accurate?
Yes, but currently i can't change it for this version
Pierre.

User avatar
helmut
Posts: 8127
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:47 pm
Location: Frankfurt, Germany

Post by helmut » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:26 pm

Not sure whether this has been discussed before or not:

In Beta 6 all separators "blink" when moving the mouse onto the arrow for minimizing/maximizing the pane area. I.e. the separator is shown in dark gray (instead of light grey). This is a nice gimmick, but
a.) the user is irritated (at least I am whenever moving the mouse onto such an arrow).
b.) if the user happens to move the mouse over the area, the whole separator blinks for a quick instant which is again irritating.

I strongly recommend not to make the separator dark gray. Changing the symbol is enough visual feedback.

User avatar
JohnFredC
XnThusiast
Posts: 2010
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:33 pm
Location: Sarasota Florida

Post by JohnFredC » Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:15 pm

Sorry to disagree with you Helmut... but I like the new momentary highlighting of the separators. Very communicative.
John

Post Reply