Light version

Post by **xnview** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:29 am

Are you interested by a light version of XnView, only a viewer with minimal features, and limited formats?

Lostclown · Post by **Lostclown** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:23 pm

xnview wrote:Are you interested by a light version of XnView, only a viewer with minimal features, and limited formats?

Neither!
I think it is a good idea, but personally I don't think I would use. Would certainly recommend it to others though.

Regards,
Lostclown

Edit:
Changed my mind after reading the thread where this idea came up.
Going to say NO on this one.
Talknig about Irf..V.. gives you bad ideas, Pierre

Actually you have a minimal version of XnView already. The download page might explain better the difference from the standard version. From what the webpage says I'm guessing that it has fewer interface languages and no support for jpeg2000. But probably the same interface.

The XnView interface is well organized and only when you get problems placing new features into that organization should you consider a stipped interface version. XnView is not bloated, yet. And let's hope it never will be

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:47 pm

I've got an idea...

Light mode feature / button - if enabled, only few image formats would be on, no plugins would be loaded (or just few), browser should be on too...

I think it would be better than light version, because...

- starting of xnview would be faster
- anyone could turn it on/off anytime
- it could be turned on at startup automatically (for faster start) and if needed (or automatically if going to browser) it could be turned off...

Crysler · Post by **Crysler** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:51 pm

What would be the advantage of a light version?
XnView already loads fast as lightning and I can't see the point in having some file formats not working.
So there's only the setup filesize left, but why bother? To keep it on a floppy which no one uses anymore? USB-Sticks are minimum 64 MB, rather 512 MB.
Anyway, I don't think someone would use the light version when there's the full version available, too. Some seldom used features might come in handy when you least expect it.

So I can't image what would be bad about the full featured program. If it's about the number of features that could scare new users you could split the options into normal and advanced ones and make a switch to hide/show the advanced options.

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:19 pm

Crysler wrote:If it's about the number of features that could scare new users you could split the options into normal and advanced ones and make a switch to hide/show the advanced options.

Yes, but not just hide, disable too - see my post above...

helmut · Post by **helmut** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:19 pm

For special usages and unexperienced users, a light mode might be useful.

Even if XnView has a pretty simple interface, this might be still too complicated for novice users. E.g. novice users don't care about EXIF and IPTC. Also, for photo preparations you usually you need few image effects, only.

XnView has a pretty simple interface, but still a light mode might be of some use. As you surely know, Microsoft has solved this issue (light mode / expert mode) in "Word" by displaying menus which contain the basic functionality, only. Personally I have switched these limited menus off, but for some users this might be helpful. This dynamic light mode has some advantages, since the more functionality the user uses, the more is offered. So the user gradually learns about the basic features and more advanced features. Perhaps this is the way to go.

Having a light mode just because of performance reasons is no good. If less plug-ins / functionality really makes XnView faster, Pierre should try to find a way that this is no longer case.

Note:
Already, we have the so called Hidden options which disable and completely hide some of the menus. At the moment, the hidden options have to be entered manually (no GUI for setting these) and are intended for companies and their adminstrators, but not for users.

JohnFredC · Post by **JohnFredC** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:27 pm

Please don't waste valuable development time on a "lite" version. It is not needed. The current XNView freeware can be configured as "lite" as you like.

ckit · Post by **ckit** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:05 pm

JohnFredC wrote:Please don't waste valuable development time on a "lite" version. It is not needed. The current XNView freeware can be configured as "lite" as you like.

Actually I couldn't agree more.
I first thought it was a good idea but I've gone cold on the idea so my vote for a "yes" is now a "no"

maadjordan · Post by **maadjordan** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:07 pm

i've voted NO, bad idea as .. i would request a COMPACT version not light version.. maybe a rewritten one (lets say when it reaches v2.0) so it would result into..

smaller total size..i've argued with Pierre about it .. years ago.. (specially those DLL lang files..)

thus faster run../less memory req..

my problem .. i can't fit it into a FLOPPY (1.4MB or even 1.68MB) without removing any dll or plugin..

.. if langs files are made as TEXT not DLL and packed into ZIP (which already unpackable with XnView..) it can reduce 2.5MB easly..
..

Post by **xnview** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:17 am

maadjordan wrote:i've voted NO, bad idea as .. i would request a COMPACT version not light version.. maybe a rewritten one (lets say when it reaches v2.0) so it would result into..
smaller total size..i've argued with Pierre about it .. years ago.. (specially those DLL lang files..)
thus faster run../less memory req..

Language dll is better, and faster than text. By compact version, you think only about language dll?

maadjordan · Post by **maadjordan** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:20 pm

language dlls are taking much of total XnView size.. so it is no.1

ok to be active look at this program..
http://www.nyam.pe.kr/dev/imagine/downl ... 040828.zip

it is compact.. with plugins and langs..

.. another way to look at ALL formats structure..and look for routines that are shared..

JPEG code are used in jpeg,tiff,jng,ps(embedded jpg) so instead of coding double..

deflate code (zip) are used in TIFF,PNG,MNG,CACHE

.. and so on.. still i'm not in a good mood now..

give more time and i anatomy XnView

ckit · Post by **ckit** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:30 pm

ouistiti · Post by **ouistiti** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:50 pm

2Ckit
You said :

This "Imagine" program is pathetic.

But dont forget that Imagine:

- Faster than external IrfanView and supports clipboard copy.
- Views Image/Animation files. (NO depends on their extensions)
- Shows informations of image/animation files.
- Shows EXIF(JPEG) informations.
- Shows transparency.
- Extracts a frame(or whole frame) from Animation file.
- Exports Animation file to Animated GIF file/AVI/Flic/Pro Motion Animation.
- Manipulates image
(Flip,Grayscale,Negative,Change color depth,Swap colors,Rotate,
Effect filter,Edit palette)
- Tiny & Fast & Pure & Neat executable.
- Fully customizable. (Keyboard shortcut, Toolbar)
- Plugin add-on available.
- Multilingual support
- NO depends on any OLE method or any other external viewer.
- NO creates or uses any registry value.
(except for only when setting desktop wallpaper)

Don't forget that initially Imagine was a plugin for Total Commander...
Don't forget that Imagine is tiny (<300,000b)

It is to be regretted that pathetics programs are so rare

Regards

Le ouistiti

helmut · Post by **helmut** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:52 pm

Folks,

ckit wrote:...
This "Imagine" program is pathetic.

we do not want extensive discussion about other programs, here in this newsgroups. And most of all we must not talk only negatively or in a dissmissive way about other programs. We are in the happy position to have a good or even excellent graphic viewer, but we should never get vain or arrogant. Any program is a lot of work for the author/developer, please remember this when argueing/posting.

Greetings,

Helmut

Clo · Post by **Clo** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:07 pm

>>> Ouistiti
>>> Helmut

• Final dot !

Cordialement, V.G.
Claude, French translator of “Imagine”
Clo

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