RC1: Open - System / Edit - System - very useful but...

[Dreamer]

I just found "Context menu > System > Open / Edit" options - very useful but very hidden options.

I suggest to make own line for "Open - system" at least in the context menu and:

Add hotkeys for:

- Open - System - F3 (standard open key)
- Edit - System - F4 (standard edit key)

F3 key is reserved for Search , so I suggest to change Ctrl+F to F and current F3 to Ctrl+F (more (also another reasons) here).

(Or at least Open - System - F4, but I'd rather prefer F3 as above)

[xnview]

I suggest to make own line for "Open - system" at least in the context menu and:

You have it in the context menu??

Add hotkeys for:

- Open - System - F3 (standard open key)
- Edit - System - F4 (standard edit key)

F3 key is reserved for Search , so I suggest to change Ctrl+F to F and current F3 to Ctrl+F (more (also another reasons) here).

(Or at least Open - System - F4, but I'd rather prefer F3 as above)

It's better to keep F3 fo search.

[Dreamer]

I suggest to make own line for "Open - system" at least in the context menu and:

You have it in the context menu??

Yes but as "submenu" - System > Open - it's a reason why I didn't know about it till now, I think it's hidden.

- Open - System - F3 (standard open key)
- Edit - System - F4 (standard edit key) ...

It's better to keep F3 fo search.

I disagree - reasons:

- most users use a mouse double click to go to fullscreen (or MMB click in viewer or F11)
- single F key in viewer would be better, it's a standard in many video players
- F3 for open (view in external or internal viewer/program) is a standard in all file managers
- F4 for Edit - same as above
- Ctrl+F is a standard in almost all programs, e.g. all internet browsers and also xnview's help

[helmut]

First off, I think that the keyboard shortcuts should be discussed seperately or later to make the dicussion a bit simpler. Let's first become clear what the top part of the context menu (and the normal menu "Tools") should be like.

Sub menus make the users live harder, since these cannot be accessed that quickly. So submenus should be used sparingly.

In our special case, we have only two submenu items, so there's no big benefit in the submenu, it makes the main menu only one item slimmer. (It's a bit like a splitter with two sockets, you only win 1 socket). So the items could go into the "main" menu.

On the other hand the submenu "System" gives the main menu some structure. Whereas "System - Open" and "System - Edit" will look a bit strange. But "System" looks odd amongst the other menu items.

Thinking back and forth my suggestions for the main menu is:

Open
View in Fullscreen
View in Hex mode
Open With... >
-------------------------
Open (System)
Edit (System)
-------------------------
Open all
-------------------------
...

Please notice the change in order, naming, and extra separators. Comments and Feedback are welcome, perhaps we can find an even better solution.

[Danny]

The System menu may be small now, but maybe it will grow in the future. I think it's ok to have it. It's not like everyone uses them all the time.

Btw. ACDSee doesn't call it "System" but "Shell". Like in "Shell Open" and "Shell Edit". Could make long-time ACDSee users like me feel like home quicker.
And while we're at it: if you right click on a file in ACDSee while holding the Ctrl key the standard Windows Explorer menu pops up. Maybe that's worth considering instead.

Anyway, i think Pierre is smart enough to make the interface efficient. So i'm fine with it either way. It's a very big menu though. It already takes up half of my screen vertically.

[helmut]

The System menu may be small now, but maybe it will grow in the future. I think it's ok to have it. It's not like everyone uses them all the time.

Window offers "Open" and "Edit", think there is not much more.

Btw. ACDSee doesn't call it "System" but "Shell". Like in "Shell Open" and "Shell Edit". Could make long-time ACDSee users like me feel like home quicker.

I had a discussion with Pierre regarding this. Can anyone tell me what Shell > Open actually means? And what is the word in Finnish for example? I think System > Open is much clearer.

And while we're at it: if you right click on a file in ACDSee while holding the Ctrl key the standard Windows Explorer menu pops up. Maybe that's worth considering instead.

That's indeed a nice feature. XnView 1.81?

Anyway, i think Pierre is smart enough to make the interface efficient. So i'm fine with it either way. It's a very big menu though. It already takes up half of my screen vertically.

Right. But with all the requests it's sometimes hard to filter the good ones from the bad ones and find a good general solution.

[Dreamer]

I think many users could be "afraid" of the word System
But Shell ? I don't think it's better...
Any other ideas?

I think there are many useless items in the context menu, since they are as toolbar buttons, shortcuts, or in the menu...

But I'll start new topic for that. I need a space also for hotkeys F3, F4 and Ctrl+F here .

[xnview]

-------------------------
Open (System)
Edit (System)
-------------------------

Like above, popup menu becomes more larger...

[OL]

Perhaps ShellOpen and ShellEdit should be in the Open With submenu
--> no bigger context menu by adding 2 more items to it
--> no System submenu for only 2 items

[Danny]

I had a discussion with Pierre regarding this. Can anyone tell me what Shell > Open actually means? And what is the word in Finnish for example? I think System > Open is much clearer.

'Shell' has multiple meanings.
For one, Windows' shell is "Explorer.exe". (In Linux it could be KDE for example.)
Shell also means using the command line according to the settings in the registry. It's there where sub-functions like open, edit and play for example are defined.
That's where "shell" comes from.

And why you even have to translate it is beyond me. You haven't translated "System" into Finnish either, have you?

Perhaps ShellOpen and ShellEdit should be in the Open With submenu
--> no bigger context menu by adding 2 more items to it
--> no System submenu for only 2 items

That sounds very reasonably to me. Then you could call it "Default program" and "Default editor" as well.

[xnview]

Perhaps ShellOpen and ShellEdit should be in the Open With submenu
--> no bigger context menu by adding 2 more items to it
--> no System submenu for only 2 items

That sounds very reasonably to me. Then you could call it "Default program" and "Default editor" as well.

So everyone agree with "Default progam" & "default editor" in Open With menu?

[ckit]

Current System:
System -> Open
System -> Edit

My thoughts:
Alternatives -> Open with Associated Viewer
Alternatives -> Edit with Associated Editor

[Dreamer]

So everyone agree with "Default progam" & "default editor" in Open With menu?

Maybe, or:
- Open with Associated Viewer
- Edit with Associated Editor

Or:
- Open with Associated Program
- Edit with Associated Editor

See also this: Useless items in the browser context menu?

And what about F3, F4, Ctrl+F...?

[xnview]

So are you agree with:
Open With >>
App 1 ...
App 2 ...
-------------
Add program...
Remove all
--------------
Open with Associated Program
Edit with Associated Editor

And what about F3, F4, Ctrl+F...?

everyone agree with following key:
Ctrl+F => Search
F3 => Default open
F4 => Default edit

[ckit]

I have no problem with those keys