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								by XnTriq  Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:00 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			I've been using v1.8 for years now. It's the perfect companion to XnView. The command-line version can be 
integrated  into XnView's toolbar.
Hadrien Nilsson  wrote:Clean your PNG files of useless or wrong information. 
Make your PNG files smaller. 
Convert into PNG other lossless image formats (BMP, GIF, TGA). 
Create PNG screenshots and make them easily available. 
Perform all those tasks in the simpliest and most productive way. PngOptimizer 2.0  (25/Apr/2011)
new:  support for APNG for both optimization and conversion (animated GIFs)new:  x64 versionnew:  PNG options moved to their own dialog windownew:  option to ignore animated GIFsnew:  option to keep original file date and timenew:  option to force background color (bkGD chunk)new:  option to keep or force textual information (tEXt chunk)new:  always on top option for the main window in the contextual menunew:  suggested screenshot filename now keeps leading "0" for file number (file 001.png, file 002.png...)new:  suggested screenshot filename now accepts "-" as a number separator (file-01.png file-02.png...)change:  AvoidGreyWithSimpleTransparency is now disabled by default (was for IE6 compatibility)change:  keyboard shortcut to clear the list is slightly less complicated: Ctrl+Delete instead of Ctrl+Shift+Deletemisc:  better results with some cases of indexed color imagesmisc:  updated ZLib 1.2.3 to 1.2.5 (compression library)fixed:  bad % reported for large filesfixed:  hangs at startup when loading an empty configuration file (PngOptimizer.ini)fixed:  could not load GIFs containing non-Netscape application extensions blocks (like XMP data from Photoshop CS)fixed:  could not load GIFs with a compressed block ending with a terminator instead of an end-of-information code 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
				
		
		
			
				
																			
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								by thibaud  Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:21 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			
I have to disagree, here is a short comparaison I did (win 7 x64|i7 980x|24GB RAM)
A.PRICE: 
PngOptimizer: PNGOut: OptiPng:  
B.COMPATIBILITY: 
PngOptimizer: x86 & X64  | Reads: PNG, GIF, BMP, TGA.PNGOut: OptiPng:  
C.PERFORMANCE  (55 PNG files processed | 487KB) :
PngOptimizer: PNGOut: OptiPng:  
I believe you may have judge PngOptimizer a bit too quickly.
Focusing your judgement on a gui (which btw is near perfect | how can you find a design flaw in a bare naked window ?) can be seriously misleading.
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								by Drahken  Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:39 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Your price comparison isn't entirely accurate. There is indeed a commercial GUI version of PNGout (I didn't check the price, but I suspect your 15~30 is correct). However, the commandline version is free, plus there is a free GUI available for it ( 
http://pnggauntlet.com/  ), plus (more importantly) it is available as a free plugin for xnview.
...speaking of which, xnview's PNG export functions are quite effective & infinitely faster than PNGout (I haven't tried the other 2 progs), just experiment with the different filters for better results.
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								by eL_PuSHeR  Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:57 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			One thing I didn't like is that PngOptimizer removed the resolution tag from the PNG processed. Maybe the command-line version has some option to keep some tags.
			
			
									
						
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								by DOS386  Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:05 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			
Minimal test: PngOptimizer beats OPTIPNG but inferior to PNGOUT (16 col's).
PngOptimizer (CL) flaws:
- no progress indicator
- very little info
PngOptimizer benefits:
- can also optimize APNG reportedly (untested)
x86 only
doesn't it work for you ???
[*]PngOptimizer: PNGOut: OptiPng: 
Please submit some PNG exposing PngOptimizer to beat PNGOUT.
There is indeed no WinZIP under my rock.
			
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by DOS386  Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:18 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			I  wrote:
Minimal test: PngOptimizer beats OPTIPNG
far not always ...
thibaud wrote: [*]PngOptimizer: PNGOut: OptiPng: 
Most likely you swapped the results from PngOptimizer and PNGOut 
Code: Select all 
921'654 Original BMP 24bpp
after LIBPNG/PO/PNGOUT/OP only:
433'833 LIBPNG -9
433'188 PO
430'300 PNGOUT (rare missguess "/f5")
409'796 OP -o7 (brutes out "/f1")
392'538 PNGOUT /f1 | !!! WINNER !!!
after DEFLOPT additionally:
432'810 LIBPNG -9
432'810 PO         | !!! IDENTICAL to LIBPNG -9 above !!!
430'282 PNGOUT (rare missguess "/f5")
408'637 OP -o7 (brutes out "/f1")
392'525 PNGOUT /f1 | !!! WINNER !!!
To sum it up, PngOptimizer seems to be far inferior to PNGOUT and still a bit inferior to OPTIPNG.
About PngOptimizer's AGIF->APNG conversions, the output is good is some cases but bad in other cases.
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								by thibaud  Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:37 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			DOS386 wrote: 
Most likely you swapped the results from PngOptimizer and PNGOut 
I didn't swap any results! 
please note that my test was run 
not with one particular BMP  but with 55 png (a good number of them had transparency).
also, you don't seem to provide processing time, which I believe is quite relevant too.
btw, I never stated Pngoptimizer "was far superior" or "beated" anything, I try to avoid to make bold statement like theses. I was merely trying to provide numbers.
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								by XnTriq  Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:15 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			PngOptimizer v2.1  (09/Jun/2012):
new:  option to keep or force pixel physical dimensions (pHYs chunk)new:  better compatibility for old Windows versions (NT based)new:  Windows Seven taskbar icon now shows progression of an optimizationnew:  better automatic dialogs placement when near screen borders, near taskbar or with multiple monitorsnew:  the list is now scrollable with the keyboardnew:  "Done" written at the end of multiple files optimizationnew:  screenshot directory dialog can be resizedPngOptimizer v2.2  (09/Sep/2012):
new:  support of the ".apng" file extensionfixed:  only lower case file extensions were managed. The extension case is not relevant anymore. 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by DOS386  Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:39 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			XnTriq  wrote (1/2 year after the release) :
PngOptimizer v2.2 (09/Sep/2012)
Commandline version still exists ... changes are very minor, no engine improvements.
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								by XnTriq  Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:15 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			PngOptimizer v2.3  ( 29/May/2013)
new:  multithreaded optimization for faster processing on multicore CPUsnew:  better optimization in some cases of greyscale imagesmisc:  updated ZLib 1.2.5 to 1.2.7 (compression library) 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by DOS386  Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:01 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			The changes seem very minor again.
XnTriq wrote: new: multithreaded optimization for faster processing on multi 
new: better optimization in some cases of greyscale images 
misc: updated ZLib  1.2.5 to 1.2.7 (compression library) 
Why not use 
zopfli  ? Then the author could finally beat PNGOUT and OPTIPNG 
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								by thibaud  Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:32 am 
			
			
			
			
			
			DOS386 wrote: The changes seem very minor again.
XnTriq wrote: new: multithreaded optimization for faster processing on multi 
new: better optimization in some cases of greyscale images 
misc: updated ZLib  1.2.5 to 1.2.7 (compression library) 
Why not use 
zopfli  ? Then the author could finally beat PNGOUT and OPTIPNG 
I suppose because performance isn't solely related to the compression (size reduction) ratio.
Processing time is an important factor too.
100x slower !  for a 5% gain definitively isn't an overall improvement in my book.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by XnTriq  Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:00 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			PngOptimizer v2.4  (18/May/2014)
misc:  updated source code for Visual Studio 2012misc:  welcome message is centered and appears only when the log window is emptyfixed:  some errors found with VS2012 static analysis toolfixed:  small UI problem in the screenshots dialogchange:  removed batch summary for single filePngOptimizer v2.4.1  (25/May/2014)
fixed:  Windows XP compatibility for 32 bits buildPngOptimizer v2.4.2  (08/Jun/2014)
fixed:  x64 build failed to open dialog boxes on Windows 8 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by XnTriq  Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:00 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			PngOptimizer v2.4.3  (24/Jul/2016)
misc:  updated file structure for git first commitPngOptimizer v2.5  (09/Ovt/2016)
misc:  update code for GTK+ versionmisc:  reorganize Windows code for multiplatform supportmisc:  update distrib script to create a .deb package