Update files from catalog IPTC & XMP multiple problems.

[FKCapitalism2]

Inside Settings > Browser > Metadata > IPTC & XMP.



Problem #1

Option Export Catalog's Category to XMP Subject and IPTC Keyword including two sub options Create XMP data and Create IPTC data is completely ignored and category is always exported to both XMP Subject and IPTC Keyword regardless of its being checked or unchecked.


Problem #2

Option Read hierarchical keywords from images as categories does not work, keywords always load hierarchically.

Perhaps to be more clear this option should be called "Read hierarchical keywords from images as hierarchical categories"


Problem #3

Option Write categories into images as hierachical keywords also does nothing, always write hierarchical.

There's typo in word "hierarchical"


Problem #4

Options Export rating in XMP metadata and Export color label in XMP metadata have no effect rating and color are always exported.


Problem #5

Option Write comment in XMP (dc:description and exif:UserComment) have no effect.

Perhaps because comments are not implemented yet.



Comments from Ctrl+D dialog box don't save in database, there's only option to write them in the file, and they don't get written to .XMP sidecar from there either when used with RAW files.


Problem #6

Tagging (checkbox) status is not exported from XnViewMP catalog to files with Update files from catalog





P.S. All above was tested on .ARW file and can be seen inside .XMP sidecar.

[xnview]

could you describe what do you use to reproduce these problems?

Problem #6

Tagging (checkbox) status is not exported from XnViewMP catalog to files with Update files from catalog

Why?? tag visibility has nothing to do with catalog

[FKCapitalism2]

could you describe what do you use to reproduce these problems?

I was testing Metadata > Edit IPTC dialog on this RAW file https://www.upload.ee/files/15772839/_DSC0001.zip.html with different options from Settings > Metadata > IPTC & XMP enabled and disabled to see if they actually have any effect.

I might have misunderstood meaning of options in Settings > Metadata > IPTC & XMP for instance "export rating in XMP metadata", i thought it means "write rating to sidecar .xmp file" and probably actual meaning of this option is "write rating to XMP metadata fields that is written either to image itself or .xmp sidecar" and all options related to creating sidecar .xmp files is on tab Settings > Metadata > Sidecar?

Problem #6
Tagging (checkbox) status is not exported from XnViewMP catalog to files with Update files from catalog

Why?? tag visibility has nothing to do with catalog

When i tag image inside XnViewMP and close the program then reopen it again file is still tagged, how does XnViewMP remember that file is tagged, where it saves that information?

[xnview]

I might have misunderstood meaning of options in Settings > Metadata > IPTC & XMP for instance "export rating in XMP metadata", i thought it means "write rating to sidecar .xmp file" and probably actual meaning of this option is "write rating to XMP metadata fields that is written either to image itself or .xmp sidecar" and all options related to creating sidecar .xmp files is on tab Settings > Metadata > Sidecar?

Yes, 'XMP metadata' can be embedded or sidecar

Problem #6
Tagging (checkbox) status is not exported from XnViewMP catalog to files with Update files from catalog

Sorry but i'm wrong, currently tagged files is stored in catalog. But why do you want export it state with 'Update files from catalog'? It's not a metadata entry

[FKCapitalism2]

Yes, 'XMP metadata' can be embedded or sidecar

That option does not work for me when updating .arw file sidecar .xmp is not being created.

Test file: https://www.upload.ee/files/15772839/_DSC0001.zip.html

Here are my options.

Sorry but i'm wrong, currently tagged files is stored in catalog. But why do you want export it state with 'Update files from catalog'? It's not a metadata entry

I need ability to only save metadata to catalog when using IPTC & XMP dialog window's instead of writing to file / sidecar. Then once i have tagged all my thousands of files i select them and press "Update files from catalog" and go sleep while XnViewMP created sidecars or writes metadata to all image files for many hours.

Otherwise if i select 100 files that i want to add metadata for, say Country = Thailand then click Write and have to wait for while before XnViewMP finish to write files before i can continue to add metadata for next group of files. Too much interruptions in the workflow.

[xnview]

Yes, 'XMP metadata' can be embedded or sidecar

That option does not work for me when updating .arw file sidecar .xmp is not being created.

It works only with 'Edit XMP'.

I need ability to only save metadata to catalog when using IPTC & XMP dialog window's instead of writing to file / sidecar. Then once i have tagged all my thousands of files i select them and press "Update files from catalog" and go sleep while XnViewMP created sidecars or writes metadata to all image files for many hours.

Otherwise if i select 100 files that i want to add metadata for, say Country = Thailand then click Write and have to wait for while before XnViewMP finish to write files before i can continue to add metadata for next group of files. Too much interruptions in the workflow.

I understand. But full XMP metadata is not written in catalog. Only rating/color labels/categories. 'Update files from catalog' update only these fields.

Creating sidecar should not be long...

[FKCapitalism2]

Yes, 'XMP metadata' can be embedded or sidecar

That option does not work for me when updating .arw file sidecar .xmp is not being created.

It works only with 'Edit XMP'.

Indeed sidecar .xmp is being created for "Edit XMP" dialog box. Will you make sidecar .xmp option work for "Edit IPTC" dialog box in upcoming version?

Also i noticed bug with "Edit XMP" in v1.6.0. After pressing Write and sidecar .xmp file is created, image thumbnail disappears from the thumbnail view of XnViewMP and refreshing thumbnail view does not bring it back. Only navigating away from folder and coming back shows missing thumbnail again.

[xnview]

Indeed sidecar .xmp is being created for "Edit XMP" dialog box. Will you make sidecar .xmp option work for "Edit IPTC" dialog box in upcoming version?

'Edit IPTC' is used to edit IPTC not XMP, sidecar are XMP metadatas

Also i noticed bug with "Edit XMP" in v1.6.0. After pressing Write and sidecar .xmp file is created, image thumbnail disappears from the thumbnail view of XnViewMP and refreshing thumbnail view does not bring it back. Only navigating away from folder and coming back shows missing thumbnail again.

same in 1.6.1?

[FKCapitalism2]

Indeed sidecar .xmp is being created for "Edit XMP" dialog box. Will you make sidecar .xmp option work for "Edit IPTC" dialog box in upcoming version?

'Edit IPTC' is used to edit IPTC not XMP, sidecar are XMP metadatas

That's a major slowdown every RAW is 20MB re-writting 100 raw's takes quite a bit of time.

Other software (Photo Mechanic) that write IPTC tags offers option to either write IPTC inside actual raw or create sidecar .xmp.
ACDSee creates .xmp files only when you update IPTC does not even have option to write to raw files. I believe its part of IPTC standard to have either tags in .xmp sidecar or written to raw itself, whatever option user like's more. This is very nice to have a choice as some people are extra careful and don't wish to modify the raw image file itself.

Also i noticed bug with "Edit XMP" in v1.6.0. After pressing Write and sidecar .xmp file is created, image thumbnail disappears from the thumbnail view of XnViewMP and refreshing thumbnail view does not bring it back. Only navigating away from folder and coming back shows missing thumbnail again.

same in 1.6.1?

Yes in 1.6.1 as well, thumbnail still disappears after pressing Write button .

[xnview]

Indeed sidecar .xmp is being created for "Edit XMP" dialog box. Will you make sidecar .xmp option work for "Edit IPTC" dialog box in upcoming version?

'Edit IPTC' is used to edit IPTC not XMP, sidecar are XMP metadatas

That's a major slowdown every RAW is 20MB re-writting 100 raw's takes quite a bit of time.

Other software (Photo Mechanic) that write IPTC tags offers option to either write IPTC inside actual raw or create sidecar .xmp.
ACDSee creates .xmp files only when you update IPTC does not even have option to write to raw files. I believe its part of IPTC standard to have either tags in .xmp sidecar or written to raw itself, whatever option user like's more. This is very nice to have a choice as some people are extra careful and don't wish to modify the raw image file itself.

But .xmp is XMP metadatas not IPTC, why not use 'Edit XMP'?

[FKCapitalism2]

'Edit IPTC' is used to edit IPTC not XMP, sidecar are XMP metadatas

That's a major slowdown every RAW is 20MB re-writting 100 raw's takes quite a bit of time.

Other software (Photo Mechanic) that write IPTC tags offers option to either write IPTC inside actual raw or create sidecar .xmp.
ACDSee creates .xmp files only when you update IPTC does not even have option to write to raw files. I believe its part of IPTC standard to have either tags in .xmp sidecar or written to raw itself, whatever option user like's more. This is very nice to have a choice as some people are extra careful and don't wish to modify the raw image file itself.

But .xmp is XMP metadatas not IPTC, why not use 'Edit XMP'?

I thought that If i use other image viewer such as ACDSee or lightroom it won't show XMP fields, only IPTC. However i need to test that.

[xnview]

I thought that If i use other image viewer such as ACDSee or lightroom it won't show XMP fields, only IPTC. However i need to test that.

All modern apps use XMP and no more IPTC metadatas

[xnview]

Also i noticed bug with "Edit XMP" in v1.6.0. After pressing Write and sidecar .xmp file is created, image thumbnail disappears from the thumbnail view of XnViewMP and refreshing thumbnail view does not bring it back. Only navigating away from folder and coming back shows missing thumbnail again.

same in 1.6.1?

Yes in 1.6.1 as well, thumbnail still disappears after pressing Write button .

I can't reproduce. It's the thumbnail of .arw which disappear? Even with F5 the file is not visible? Could you post a screenshot of 'Settings>File list>Companion files?'

[FKCapitalism2]

same in 1.6.1?

Yes in 1.6.1 as well, thumbnail still disappears after pressing Write button .

I can't reproduce. It's the thumbnail of .arw which disappear? Even with F5 the file is not visible? Could you post a screenshot of 'Settings>File list>Companion files?'

Yes, its .arw file related, and F5 does not bring it back, only when navigating out of folder and coming back.

[xnview]

Yes, its .arw file related, and F5 does not bring it back, only when navigating out of folder and coming back.

I can't reproduce, could you send me your xnview.ini, and describe the way to reproduce?